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Farms, Family, and Fights: The Nick Wise Story
This episode dives into the life and ambitions of Nick Wise, a man who has seamlessly transitioned from gym bro culture to boxing rings, triathlons, and even farming—all while balancing the chaos of parenthood. With plenty of laughs, candid stories, and moments of introspection, this episode offers something for fitness enthusiasts, competitive spirits, and anyone curious about navigating life’s unexpected turns.
What questions will this episode answer?
- What’s it like stepping into a boxing ring for the first time after just 12 weeks of training?
- How does transitioning from city life to a dairy farm shape someone’s outlook?
- Can balancing fitness, family, and personal ambition really be done without losing your mind?
- How do competitive parents inspire—or challenge—their kids?
Anecdotes You’ll Love
- Boxing Beginnings
Nick’s 12-week training for his first boxing match culminated in a heated bout that surprised even his coach. From sparring against opponents twice his size to navigating the nerves of stepping into the ring, Nick shares what it’s like to fight for the first time—including how punches got progressively harder as the match went on. Did it end in victory? You’ll have to tune in to find out! - Farm Strength
Nick shares his foray into dairy farming, stepping up to support his in-laws. He humorously recalls “finding muscles he didn’t know he had” while discovering the truth behind “farm strength.” He admits his father-in-law, even at 60, could still outwork him—a humbling yet inspiring realization. - Triathlon Triumphs (and Trials)
From surviving the questionable waters of Shepparton Lake to completing three triathlons on a secondhand bike, Nick’s journey into endurance sports offers both inspiration and hilarity. How does he compare to the “carbon fiber warriors” of the triathlon world? And why does he keep going back for more? - Family First
As a father of two under two, Nick shares how balancing his fitness ambitions with parenting isn’t easy but is always worth it. Whether it’s running a park run with his son in a stroller or encouraging his wife’s marathon dreams, Nick’s commitment to family shines through in every anecdote. - The Competitive Edge
Nick’s competitive spirit isn’t limited to the ring or the track—it’s alive and well in his friendly rivalry with his wife. With quips about who would win in a marathon (spoiler: they both think it’s them), this episode highlights the fun and friction of a family full of athletes.
Why Listen?
This episode is equal parts motivational and relatable, reminding us all that life’s victories aren’t just about the medals but the stories we collect along the way. Whether you’re a fitness fanatic or just looking for a good laugh, Nick Wise’s story will leave you inspired to take on your next challenge—whatever it may be.
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Fitzy:Ooh.
Burso:Yeah, well, something in the pipes. Well, um Jesus, should we start again this?
Nick Wise:is terrible. Nah, it's about that's a. This is terrible.
Fitzy:Nah, it's about, yeah, it's about.
Burso:It's about on par For how we usually go. Yeah, we can talk about that later. Oh fuck, get around. That that's a cracking start.
Fitzy:Gorgeous. Do you need a pillow?
Burso:Yeah, I'm going to have to get the elbow pillow out. Oh, I can kick the chair. Welcome. Anyway, let's try and save it real quick. Welcome today.
Nick Wise:Should we start again?
Burso:Oh I can't kick the chair. Welcome. Anyway, let's try and save it real quick. Welcome. Today Should we start?
Nick Wise:again. Oh no, we can't now Nick's cracked savvy, Savvy. I can have another one.
Fitzy:Oh Jesus, what is it imposter for 10% off something?
Burso:Yeah, yeah he's encoded imposter for 10%.
Fitzy:Something like that 17.
Burso:Wow Code imposter Sav 2017,. Wow Code Imposter savvy All right minute in Nick Wise welcome, oh fuck.
Nick Wise:This is going really well. It's exactly how I thought it would all play out, is it?
Burso:Yeah, yeah, you've listened to it before.
Nick Wise:You know how this goes.
Burso:Yeah, you thought it was an act. It's just really not. Anyway, Nick Wise formerly, I don't know, we didn't do it formerly.
Fitzy:Or is it a secret?
Burso:Anyway, probably a secret. Yeah, I knew him before he was Nick Wise, but anyway, now he's, it's a cooler name. I'll be honest, I'm okay with it. Yeah, is it Wise or Wise?
Nick Wise:Have you actually looked at the history of it?
Burso:It's Wise as far as I know, I thought you were making a joke about Vizzei and then, oh yeah, I don't know what they talk about.
Nick Wise:No, they don't talk about workplaces. No, we might have to keep that one off here.
Burso:Yeah well, I mean, old mate's not allowed to talk about his workplace.
Fitzy:I don't work.
Burso:True. Well, you don't have a place of work. All work? No, you just don't do either. No, you're not allowed in the place and you can't walk Right anyway. Nick Wise, mate of mine, we played footy a fair while ago, long time ago. Yeah, it was a long time ago. We also used to go to the gym talk Ronnie Coleman, stuff. All the time Used to get massive.
Nick Wise:And now, I don't know, maybe not get massive. Took lots of caffeine and beta alanine and pretending we were getting massive but yeah, you were what?
Burso:15 kilo heavier than you were now, than you are now true so you're gym bros yeah, yeah, yeah yeah in every sense of the way yeah, everything. Was it just made that weird yeah?
Nick Wise:yeah, but he used a button then, but you chose not to well, I don't know what the weird button is. No, Maybe that's probably.
Burso:Maybe, yeah, that's as close as I have to the weird button Anyway. So, nick, how old are you, nick, 33. 33, now, right, and then. So we played footy. I wasn't a massive fan of cardio.
Nick Wise:Yeah.
Burso:Aussie rules. Yeah, sorry, I should probably clarify for the bubble up there on a poker different no.
Nick Wise:You just got cancelled.
Burso:Did.
Fitzy:I.
Burso:If that's what cancels me, I'm not even going to be angry with that. But yeah, so we used to play footy, used to do gym. Just be like real gym bros, mad for podcasts. We weren't into podcasts, mad for pre-workout and that sort of stuff. But now you're a city boy. Used to play Aussie rules and we did weights and now
Fitzy:doing cardio.
Burso:So before you were a city boy. Is that correct? Yeah, Since then, we've got a couple of things to talk about. Now you're a farmer. We can talk about that transition from city to being a farmer. And then you've got from being able to defend yourself to now running away from stuff. You can do that now Tri like defend yourself to now running away from stuff. You can do that now Triathlons or running Triathlons.
Nick Wise:Yeah, so he does triathlons now. Well have done. I wouldn't say I do them, because that implies that I regularly partake and I'm good at it, I'm seeing pictures of you on the.
Burso:Instagrams. It's all about the socials. Yeah, there's enough photos now to say that you do cardio. And then what was the other one? Oh, and then after you got like super light so that you couldn't get knocked out because people are worms at your weight, it's like you started doing a boxing fight yeah, well, I had to try and defend myself again yeah, yeah.
Burso:Well, I mean, it's a fight or flight, so you used to be able to fight and then you'd turn into the flight part. Now there's balance, but like only as a little kid, so is Only with like 12-year-olds Can't even defend that, yeah, yeah, so I reckon. And then afterwards we'll talk like Merry Christmas because it's going to be Christmas, and then we'll talk about future of the pod and we'll say goodnight to Fitzy. At some point He'll just throw in comments because he's been providing zero value this morning, yep, but yeah, anyway, nick, let's run me through.
Nick Wise:Where'd you grow up? I grew up in Albury until I was about 12 and then we moved to Melbourne and I became a city kid. Spent a little bit of time in Vietnam when I was in high school for my old man's work, and that was a fight or flight sort of situation. Growing up over there.
Fitzy:How long were you?
Nick Wise:there for In total about three years.
Burso:Yeah right.
Nick Wise:So moved over there.
Burso:Well, now you can go. It's a flashback. Yeah, that's good. So what age were you?
Nick Wise:I moved over there when I was 15. Yep, and then you hadn't heard that before. No, well, not live. So maybe it's different, you're so confused.
Nick Wise:You started talking about your past and you're like hmm, I wasn't sure if that was like some sort of Anyway moving on really quickly, it's a rock show. No, I moved over there when I was 15. That goes a long way, I thought when I was 18, so that was a bit of fun. Halfway through year 12, I moved over there when I was 15. That goes a long way, I thought when I was 18, so that was a bit of fun. Halfway through year 12, I had to restart when I moved back to Australia.
Fitzy:Interesting and you went to school, obviously in Vietnam.
Nick Wise:Yeah, so it was a British international school, which was strange. It was called British international school but up to a certain point it was actually based on an American-style curriculum and did the international baccalaureate, which was unnecessarily difficult, I think, for high school. But anyway, it's really hard watching you do these sort of things.
Fitzy:Hey you're on a podcast. Don't watch what I'm doing. Did you learn the language when you were there?
Nick Wise:I learned enough to probably get myself out of trouble, let's say but yeah, I couldn't speak a word of it now, but I knew enough to understand what was going on and question certain things, whether it be, you know, at food markets, or get in a taxi and say, hey, I need to go to this place Difficult language.
Nick Wise:It depends what languages you may have experienced in the past. I learned a bit of French in high school and it's actually kind of a Latin-based language, so I was able to pick it up. Probably a little bit easier as a result of that. But yeah, coming from Australia where you know we have English and swearing as our main forms of communication, yeah, well, I mean, we can learn German, we can learn French, we can learn Indonesian, take your pick. Yeah, but then… Each school, you, we can learn.
Fitzy:French.
Nick Wise:We can learn.
Fitzy:Indonesian. Take your pick, Yep, but then Each school you go to it's going to be something different.
Nick Wise:So it's hard and practicing it in Australia isn't really a big thing. So, yeah, learned enough to get by, basically.
Fitzy:And then so 18, you come back to Australia and you've got to finish off year 12, you said yeah.
Nick Wise:So I basically restarted year 12 and lost all motivation for studying. So I had wanted to be a doctor or a surgeon or something and basically came back and thought you know what, dropping out of school is probably not a horrible idea, but stuck to it because that's what the parents wanted me to do and then went off to uni and got the piece of paper and the big debt associated with it. All what?
Fitzy:did you study at uni?
Nick Wise:Did commerce and focused on management and commercial law, which in high school or business management stuff was easy for me, I guess. So it was just picking the easy route and that's sort of what I do now for the most part, other than the farming which Chris alluded to.
Fitzy:Yeah, right, so we can't talk about your current job, or we can talk about your current job, we can. You've got two current jobs.
Nick Wise:Well, sort of One's more helping out the in-laws, I guess, but I did it full-time for a period of time, so we can talk a little bit about the current job, but maybe just leave some names.
Fitzy:Okay, cool, we'll get back to that one.
Nick Wise:so you've, you've, um, you've finished year 12 and sorry, you're uni and you've you've done that. Whereabouts were you living at that stage? Uh, at that stage I was in um around chris's old area, the old haunt in surrey hills, or canterbury, around that area in melbourne. Yep, um, and I was straight out of uni. I started working in Hallam, so it was chalk and cheese.
Fitzy:Lovely area, yep.
Nick Wise:Yep, that's one way to put it, but I would get in my car and I'd drive to work and I would lock the doors of the car when I got there and same on the way home. So, yeah, that kept me occupied and out of trouble for a little while. So that was in manufacturing, managing a food manufacturing place there, and did a little bit of personal training and everything on the side of that as well, because I liked fitness. And having done all the gym stuff with Chris straight out of footy, I thought, well, maybe there's a career to be made in this.
Fitzy:So with footy, Chris is obviously someone that didn't run much when he played. He'd like to just sit there as a weight somewhere. What about?
Burso:yourself, I was a ruckman. I was a ruckman Carried bulk kilometres. It's bullshit.
Nick Wise:No, I typically played in the midfield so I'd make Chris look good with. You know he'd tap it a certain direction Been there done that yeah.
Burso:Fitzy does it as well. All right, yeah, we get it All right. He works, run around doing whatever.
Fitzy:And then so obviously you've got a bit of a motor on you and then you've started doing some stuff with Chris, yeah, and you both have to have motors Keeping up with me.
Burso:That's why 100k marathons now.
Nick Wise:Yeah, I made him work back in the day because he was having to keep up with you on the one wheel or my one wheel runs out of battery when I go with Fitzy yeah, I don't know, I had to make him look good, so that's why I had to run a lot yeah right, the ball could be tapped anywhere, but if I picked it up, well, the Ruckman's doing their job right.
Fitzy:Yep, if he picks it up. Yeah, yeah, so you've started doing a bit of gym and stuff there and doing some personal training? Yep, and was that work that you were doing, or were you still using your degree at that stage?
Nick Wise:No, I was doing both, so I was running a factory by day, so to speak, and then training people by night.
Fitzy:Yep.
Nick Wise:It was just a little bit of extra money on the side, I guess, and something I thought I was passionate about. But I actually found it really difficult when you have the same person come back week after week and they made no progress because they hadn't necessarily followed what you'd tried to guide them. So I found it quite demoralising. But they were paying you though, weren't they? They were, but to me it was like the money was good at first, but then you think, well, why are you actually doing this? It's to help people, and if they can't even help themselves, I don't actually want to take the money off them. I found that quite difficult.
Burso:Sounds like a you problem. Yeah, Plenty of person trans like yeah, they're not making gains and they continue to come.
Fitzy:You obviously don't have a career in politics.
Burso:No that's probably fair. There's a bit of shade being thrown, but I'm not against it. Good crack, yeah, no, I love it. Bit of savvy lemon lime.
Nick Wise:He's got 17% off.
Burso:Not every politician's a bad person, man. There's like two of them that I know that are pretty good yeah anyway, yeah.
Burso:So back to personal training. I did. I found the same thing. You know, like when we had like different mates of ours that come from footy and they'd be like, oh, let's go to the gym. You'd rock up and then, there's about like two weeks in, they'd be like, yeah, this isn't for me. You'd be other ones where you'd literally have to drag them time and time again until I'd come up to the thing and you'd be like I just can't be bothered. But when people paid me, I was like you can do as little as you want, man, I don't care, and that's three out of the way. You don't need to worry about it anymore.
Nick Wise:That was quite good because it was kind of like you sitting back and just cracking a cold one because you're taking money from people. So it was good timing.
Burso:Oh, he was waiting for it. Nick Sperry, the slurping on the microphone really gets me. He's pretty good at doing the slurp, but yeah, look. So we had other people that would turn up. But if they're paying for it, I was like you can put in as much or as little as you want, because it's your cash, it's your time. You're paying for me to be here. But when people are like, oh, can you train me? And you rock up and they're like, no, it's too hard. I'm like get out.
Nick Wise:I was like I'm not interested. Yep, yeah, Pretty good times. So after that I'd be a little bit bored by now, so you can probably go oh man, I'm surprised people listen at all.
Fitzy:It confuses me daily as to why there's still another person reading You've got two jobs going and you know you're obviously trying to support at this stage just yourself.
Nick Wise:I was just trying to support myself at the time. Yeah, yeah, because I was in my 20s then and thought I was going to be a millionaire influence, like all the other PTs out there, and obviously Still time there is. I'd probably need to get some tips from you on the social side of stuff, now that everything's booming oh, massive, massive now.
Burso:Yeah, I'm almost at 1,400 followers on the podcast, so that's a pretty massive deal. Yeah, I mean, more people voted for me in the last election, but you know we'll get there. We'll get there.
Fitzy:I think we're lucky that a lady let you hang her sign on her fence, not just hung it up.
Burso:Screwed it in. She's like just screw it onto my fence.
Nick Wise:That's not a euphemism is it. No no no, legitimately.
Burso:I had a billboard on the side of the road and then Saved his election. Yeah, and to be fair, like after it happened, people mates of mine were getting their kids to jump out and like take a photo of their kids giving me the finger and stuff. It was great and I'm thinking in future, every six months I want to get a new one, just put it up for a couple of weeks, just like, hey, cool Jesus and stuff like those photos, and just be like, yeah, there you go. It's not advertising or anything. Just hey, look at me, I'm still here, it's very topical, coming into Christmas too.
Nick Wise:You're well played, yeah, true true.
Burso:Yeah, there's too many other things about Christmas, carols and stuff. Maybe in the new year, though New year, new counsellor get around me Could be a thing. I like it. I like the idea of it. It was like $350 for it, Like I mean, it's funny. There's definitely better things I could spend the money on, but it's also just a big weekend. Could you do it as a calendar thing?
Burso:so once a month oh yep, yeah, yeah, could do that. Could do that. Old mate will just go in and slap a new thing on the front of it. Anyway, this is about Nick, not about we always turn it back to you. Yeah well, it's probably fair. The humility is what.
Nick Wise:I'm a pretty big deal, I'm a pretty big deal now.
Fitzy:so Sorry, sorry. So you work in two jobs and you're managing another place. Can you talk about what you were doing then?
Nick Wise:Yeah, I was just managing a food manufacturing factory, so whatever that entails just making sure that people knew where they were meant to be and what they were doing and the quality was right, making sure people got fed. It was really interesting through the time in our lives that we probably don't want to mention with 2019 onwards, but I was working for a factory that made cake and that was classified as essential work, which is controversial, cakes are essential.
Fitzy:Pretty much everything was essential. Work If you had a job, in the end it was all essential. Yep, it went from a few to pretty much everything was essential.
Nick Wise:Look, I'm not mad about it, because it meant I got to keep turning up to work every day.
Nick Wise:But, yeah, that was an interesting time. And then met my lovely wife a little while after that and I guess we decided well, we're going to want to have kids, let's move near your parents, because she's an Italian background, so there's many people to help look after the kids that was my way of looking at it, I guess and her family's from Shepparton or Durringall specifically, which is just outside of Shepparton, and that's how we've ended up there now.
Fitzy:So when did you move to Shepparton?
Nick Wise:It was Mid-2021,. I think yeah.
Fitzy:So you've only been up there for a few years now.
Nick Wise:A few years? Yeah, what do you think?
Fitzy:Is that the first time you've ever been rural?
Nick Wise:Well, I grew up in Albury, which is, I mean, kind of rural, probably not quite the same but I always thought I didn't necessarily want to go back to a regional or rural area. But now that I'm there I probably prefer it and don't really enjoy going back to Melbourne when I have to.
Fitzy:So yeah, Yep, so you've picked up. So you've gone from there picked up work in I take it, Shepparton or somewhere near Shepparton.
Nick Wise:Yeah, in Shepparton, yep.
Fitzy:And you're still doing the personal training stuff.
Nick Wise:No, I gave all that away. I did it again for a little while, but it was again that sort of thing where money is a good motivator, but at the same time I was doing it to try and help people and they just weren't helping themselves. So I found that really conflicting for me, I guess.
Fitzy:Yep, and so you've okay. So you're working up there now. You're loving life up there. You've got a wife and any kids.
Nick Wise:Yeah, I've got two boys, two under two, which was a strategic choice, but I think in hindsight, in hindsight, not a good strategy.
Burso:This will be one of those things that's like in 10 years' time you'll be like ah, that was pretty.
Nick Wise:Like at the moment you're like, yeah, we could have thought this through better Short-term pain. Yeah, on paper it makes a lot of sense because, like you say, in 10 years they'll be best mates, hopefully.
Burso:But if it's just clothes like, by the time the other one's out of them, the next one's in on yeah we're already going through that now.
Fitzy:It's working out very.
Nick Wise:Always looking for the positives. Always yeah so Get them working up to.
Burso:What is it 14? And then they, and then they get in trouble. So you're like, yeah, anyway, moving on, yeah.
Fitzy:So you're You're obviously a little bit Out of town In Shepparton, you're out in the oh well, we, we live in Shepparton, my wife's family.
Nick Wise:They've still got the farm in Durringall Yep which for a period of time I was working on essentially full time.
Fitzy:What sort of farm is it?
Nick Wise:A dairy farm. Dairy farm, yep. So early mornings, early mornings, into late nights, and the period of time when I was working there was also helping them out a little bit, build their I guess their dream home. But the reason behind all that was I'll probably get in trouble for talking too much about it, but my mother-in-law had some fairly big health concerns, I guess. So me moving into that role was to support the family, make sure everything could keep moving along and she could get the support she needed from my father-in-law.
Fitzy:Yep, and how long have they had that farm? Is it generational?
Nick Wise:It's generational, so my father-in-law's parents. They started it as a beef farm, or pig farm and beef farm originally, and then realised that dairy farming was probably the way to go. And that was well over 60 years ago, yep. And then my father-in-law took it over in 1992 and he's been working it ever since.
Fitzy:Yep, Are you finding that when you first started? Are you finding that you found muscles that you didn't even know you had?
Nick Wise:We were talking about that in the gym yesterday actually because I think, despite the fact that you're working essentially working out all day my body felt better because I was probably using the core strength and all that sort of stuff that we always talk about. But now that I'm back sitting in an office chair for most of the week, everything's starting to hurt again, ironically so, uh, but yeah, there's definitely something behind the phrase farm strength, because even at now, 60 years old, my father-in-law would still probably be able to do more than I can do one of my best mates is a dairy farmer and probably the fittest bloke.
Fitzy:I know he's amazing. He always was in school as well. Always was a.
Nick Wise:you know, when we were younger he was like a man yeah it's quite crazy to watch how easily he would just find the handles, let's say, of a calf, and move it really easily, whereas I look like I'm stumbling every time. So it's quite admirable.
Fitzy:Right. So dairy farming is that something that you are wanting to get more into, or are you?
Nick Wise:sort of just at the moment, part-time sort of thing, where you're just helping out it was just sort of helping out and stepping away from my previous role for the period of time I did have to have that discussion with my boss at the time of. It's not really something I want to go into full time because I guess managing factories is something I find far easier than being out on a farm for 17 hours a day. But I do enjoy the physical side of it to some extent, getting a bit of sunshine and all that sort of stuff. But I don't know that it's something I could necessarily do full time all the time if that makes sense.
Fitzy:Chris said before that when you were doing your gym stuff you said you're about 15 kilos heavier.
Nick Wise:Thereabouts, yeah, probably.
Fitzy:Because you're pretty slim. Now you look like you're fairly fit. So you're uh, I don't know what would you be?
Nick Wise:probably 70 kilos uh, about, oh, on a good day, about 77 kilos, um, and reasonably low body fat, I guess at that. But um, yeah, at at peak, let's say, I got up into the high 90s, um, and, you know, felt very strong, but the irony was I couldn't do a pull-up. So, whereas now I can do plenty of pull-ups, but someone could probably take me off the machine and say, hey, I'm using that.
Fitzy:I think that's the thing, isn't it the difference with fitness? Some people feel better when they're throwing weights around.
Nick Wise:Other people are better when they're doing cardio, yeah, and I think something that I'm starting to lean into a little bit more is recognising what my body's natural form is, if that makes sense, and probably is sitting at a lower, leaner weight.
Burso:That was the thing that was interesting. We were doing footy and I was trying out for whatever. I was trying out for Australian Idol or whatever. So I was getting a lot fitter. But like just playing footy you're like man, it's obviously paying off or whatever. But I was heaps lighter as well. Like I was down to like 91 or something. My knees didn't hurt anymore, my back didn't hurt anymore, but jeez, I didn't feel great about myself a lot of the time. It was weird Like not being able to lift, not being able to do other stuff, like I just felt weak. It's like. But jeez, I loved going up and down stairs at work. I was just like, oh, I'm not having a heart attack anymore. But then I got back over to 104 or whatever and like going up, just going up the two flights of stairs to get to the top, I could tell I was like my knees hurt by the time I got to the top was hurting, yeah, but you could bench more than everyone in the office?
Burso:Yeah, but I was pretty happy and it's weird. It's a weird psychological thing, like I feel better being able to lift heavier, but it's embarrassing being out of breath because you're not doing anything. Like when I was playing gridiron as well, like any further than five metres was unnecessary, yeah, but it's five metres in that sport. Yeah, but I was just trying to move 170 kilo dudes. So I was just trying to move 170 kilo dudes, so it was like, all right, it's. You know, it's one rep max and it's all out effort for five to 10 meters and that's at most you'll have to do. But then, like, get out of the car and you're like, oh, trying to catch a tram or something.
Burso:Nope, that's me down. I'm having a heart attack. This is terrible. But yeah, it's funny. I think dudes that surf and stuff, they seem to be sort of midway, like they've got a fair bit of size on them because they obviously have to sprint for it, but then they have to swim all the way in and out, so their cardio is pretty good. But that's probably where I'd look at going if I was actually not too lazy to get to the beach.
Nick Wise:Yeah, I notice you've got a surfboard, but when's the last time it actually got?
Burso:a run.
Nick Wise:It's in as new condition Last time I went in the water was Cronulla. When I lived up there for a bit, that was probably 2010. We should turn this into a podcast about your history now.
Burso:No, we've already done that, okay. No, we've done that a few times, and most times we get on here I talk about me. So it's Berso's Narcissistic Podcast. So I think that's what's going to be turned next, next year.
Nick Wise:Interestingly enough, I was thinking about I feel like the biggest imposter on here when you listen to some of the guests you've had.
Burso:Oh yeah, it's the imposter podcast.
Nick Wise:Yeah, we've come full circle.
Burso:Yeah, well, you've made it, mate, you've made it, you're one of the big dogs now, yeah. That's one thing I want to do Is look at challenge coins and put them like engraving on their people's. This is probably an off-air conversation.
Fitzy:Probably, anyway. So Nick's here. I think you realise that from the look I gave you last time. Yeah, time and place, mate. Maybe not the time for let's chat about what we're going to do with imposter coins. No, we'll do it later, though. Should we do imposter coins?
Nick Wise:Just wait for one.
Burso:Call in now, give us a heads up.
Fitzy:Anyway, what was? Nick talking about being a Chepperton working on the farm balancing things. So you've obviously the gym doing all that sort of stuff has still been a. I take it you're still going to gym or were still going to gym.
Nick Wise:I ended up joining a boxing gym for no reason other than it was better than what the local franchise one was. That was supposedly 24-7, but you got kicked out at 10 o'clock at night. So I joined up at a boxing gym, which ended up leading to me doing a 12-week training camp, I guess, which ended up in a boxing match, which is not something I necessarily thought I'd ever do. I always found boxing interesting, and then that opportunity came up and I said, oh, I'll give it a go and thoroughly enjoyed it. But I think there's been limitations put on how many fights I may or may not be allowed to get into.
Fitzy:With your 12-week challenge that they started was that fairly intensive cardio and training?
Nick Wise:you how?
Fitzy:to fight.
Nick Wise:It was a lot of the basic skills of boxing and then the cardio. There was some principles sort of thrown at us of how to keep fit, but then it was choose your own adventure as well about how fit you really wanted to get. I obviously… Did you take?
Fitzy:it very serious, absolutely, because there's not many things that I don't try and do it 110 good. And so you, you went in with this this 12 week plan of like I'm gonna get damn fit here and I'm I'm gonna be yeah, so I was, you know, going to at least um four fight classes a week.
Nick Wise:Uh, so it might be 5 am. In the morning I'm on the heavy bag class and then that night might be with the actual fighters that know what they're doing. And I think that was the best thing I did was not just sticking to the 12 weeks of we're all beginners. I threw myself in the deep end with the guys that knew what they were actually doing, and you quickly realise that it's going to hurt when you get hit, but it's not going to hurt for long and this is how you get away from getting hit, basically.
Fitzy:Did you spend any time in a meat freezer?
Nick Wise:I can't confirm or deny that, because there's probably some listeners that might get offended. No, I didn't. I don't know if that really is a strategic way to become a boxer, but it works for some individuals obviously.
Fitzy:Any stair climbs, any of that stuff.
Nick Wise:No, I don't think there's enough steps in Shepparton, because it's very flat.
Fitzy:It's a flat place. Yeah, all right, so you've done. How many fights have you done now? Just the one, just the one. How did you go?
Nick Wise:KO. No, I got an L, which I wasn't real happy about, but you know, discussions afterwards suggest that it may have been rigged. Not really.
Burso:Here we go. It's a rematch. He's calling it out.
Fitzy:It's the best of three. Who are we calling?
Nick Wise:out. I don't want to call anyone out because the bloke I fought against. We actually became pretty good mates through the whole training.
Fitzy:That sounds like you really need to call him out, or he's not really a mate.
Nick Wise:Well, no, look at the end of it all, I still look very pretty and I'm very humble about it, but he had a lot of blood all over his face. In my mind I won. But he had a lot of blood all over his face. In my mind I won. The scorecard doesn't really matter, right yeah?
Burso:I like it, just make sure you send him a link to this podcast. When is the rematch? Are we doing a rematch? Do you want to?
Fitzy:rematch him.
Nick Wise:Jeez, this is really going full on, isn't it?
Fitzy:Yeah, let's do it. We love a call out.
Burso:We've been trying to start eating their beef this whole time. But if we actually have a fight. That'd be amazing.
Nick Wise:No, look His words to me after the fight. Was he never wants to step in the boxing ring again? So as far as I'm concerned, so he's retiring. That's a win for me. I've retired him.
Burso:Yeah, fair game.
Fitzy:Sounds like a win for you as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Nick Wise:No, he's a really good bloke, so if he does listen to this, well fought. That's all I'm going to say right, okay it was at any point, when you like.
Burso:Did you sign up on a whim or were you pretty confident? What was it like? Because I remember I was sending you stuff about the podcast dudes that have fought have you seen that? So there's, there's like, um, there's some royal rumble sort of thing, with a whole bunch of podcasters that are just going and fighting each other sorry you did.
Fitzy:It was another one of those, one of those things that I looked at, yeah, and then just ignored it.
Burso:And then, just for a bit of background on that, I literally just sent him the update of all the stats we've had for the year and I asked him a question. He was like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, I saw that. No interest at all about the podcast.
Fitzy:None.
Burso:Anyway, that's how it started with the thing. And Nick's like oh, I'm actually doing one and I was like right, Well, I'm always here to support you.
Nick Wise:I've been since day one, so you know I've got to carry the team some way.
Burso:Yeah, I was just supporting you. I was just calling me out the fact that.
Fitzy:I said something and didn't do it, which is fair, because I didn't.
Burso:To be fair, there is one person that listens in Shepparton Besides.
Fitzy:Nick, or that was it, remember. There was that one person that came up and shepherded on your map oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Burso:Yeah, it's probably his wife, though not even Nick. She's a big, big shout out to Sarah, well done she's gonna love that she might even listen to this episode.
Nick Wise:It's unlikely, no, probably not she's too busy being a mum and stuff, yep but yeah.
Burso:So what's been the biggest challenge for you? Being going from, like, being a lifter, to triathlons, doing a 12 week thing to getting into a fight, haven't we? No, probably that was before you did triathlons, before the boxing though.
Fitzy:I'm guessing you're still doing triathlons.
Nick Wise:I haven't for a while and look don't make me go Instagram, mate.
Burso:How long's a while.
Nick Wise:I think the last time I did one was Australia Day this year.
Fitzy:That's still doing triathlon. Yeah, so did you start doing those in Shepparton as well?
Nick Wise:Yep. So the first one was actually swimming in the Shep Lake, which if you've been anywhere near that, you know that if you can survive that, there's probably not many pandemics that are going to get you, because there's some questionable things in that lake.
Fitzy:It's not too bad, I've been in there.
Nick Wise:Yeah, good, yeah. So first one was in Shepparton and then last one was in Echuca, which that was fun. It was all downstream, so swimming was a little bit easier. How have we gone from boxing to triathlons?
Burso:Go back to boxing if you want.
Nick Wise:Well, I find that more interesting, because the cardio thing kind of just makes me a little bit sad.
Burso:Mate, this is a running podcast. I don't know if you've heard it.
Nick Wise:Yeah, but my running ventures are you know, it's only small distances.
Burso:You also swim and you also ride a bike, so you're doing more stuff. You're going to do an Ironman.
Nick Wise:I'd like to, but at the same time.
Burso:See, Dan, you're talking dumb distances again. So you're welcome. That's the thing.
Nick Wise:I don't know I could run for that long without getting a little bit bored.
Burso:So credit to those who can. This is sounding like one of those imposter things. I don't know that I could do it. It's almost like on a lot of the people that were listening.
Nick Wise:That has to be your challenge.
Burso:To beat the garbage truck every morning.
Nick Wise:You're not going to do a marathon, so I start somewhere.
Burso:No, not at all. There was talk about doing a marathon over the course of a day, which is still a thing I'm debating.
Nick Wise:Movie marathon.
Burso:Oh yeah, Smash that, Absolutely smash it. The only thing Fitzy's not bad at watching a series, Like you're telling me about a series you'll watch that I don't know. Have you watched Landman?
Nick Wise:I'll talk later. I did want to mention that because that's I'm going to have to binge. Yeah, you're in. You're in now, yeah anyway, marathons, etc.
Burso:Yeah, triathlon after you did your first one, like how many have you done since? I've done three in total. See, that's enough to say that you know whether you're into it or not.
Nick Wise:The fact that you've done two others after the first one sort of implies you're not. I just like having something to focus on.
Fitzy:How much is?
Nick Wise:your bike worth Well, mine was all secondhand gear, so I think in total I only paid like maybe $600, and that was including shoes, oh, really.
Burso:Yeah, that's not committed at all.
Nick Wise:Well, no, because I'm a little bit of a.
Burso:I'm tired. No, you can't.
Nick Wise:Yeah, I wasn't going to go Look it's expensive, so a lot of the sports, you'll find that they're quite elitist.
Fitzy:So, even doing I run, but the running that I do. Not many people can afford to do.
Nick Wise:The runs that I do, because of the fueling and everything associated with it, everything.
Fitzy:Paying your entry for the races.
Burso:As in to get to Switzerland yeah.
Fitzy:Well, if you're going to go and do the races a lot of the races are all around the world, so if you're going to do those races, you have to be able to afford accommodation. Your flights pay the entry. Then you've got to be able to buy the gear that you've got to have. So it's expensive sport, and same with triathlon. You've got your running gear, you've got your bike, you've got your swimming stuff and people might think that it's not too bad, but to buy a wetsuit for swimming $600, $700.
Nick Wise:Yeah, and that was the interesting thing, rocking up to these triathlons and with my bike that probably wouldn't get a run by any other athletes and they've got $10,000, $12,000 bikes and you know they're probably going a little bit quicker than me. But at the same time you think, well, where do you draw the line? Is the technology doing all the work for you, sort of thing.
Fitzy:Probably in part. Yes, but at the same time, I think that's the thing Once you start getting into something, what do you spend your money in? And if that's that's the thing, once you start getting into something, what do you spend your money in? Um, and if, if that's something that helps you go? Back to it, then maybe that's why why you do it.
Burso:But I remember when leggy was, he was all about carbon fiber bike and whatever. He decided he was going to start riding and he's. And then I think two of the other boys got into it as well and he goes oh, I got this brand new stem like. It's like a little part that goes on the top between your handlebar and the frame. And he's like oh, I've got this. I was like, and he's like yeah, it was like $800.
Burso:I was like and oh yeah, he said yeah, but why? Like, what's it? It literally doesn't seem to do anything, but he goes. Oh no, you needed to save 120 grams on your bike.
Nick Wise:That's the part the expenditures part where I sort of we're at the airport.
Burso:No, it's the Germans, they're back. So what are you looking at me for? You can say the Germans are back.
Fitzy:Yeah, don't mention the war.
Burso:Oh, okay, there's a lot of UK listeners. No, they're not. There's a lot of people from Algiers shout out to algiers big deals over there yeah, if you'd read the statistics that were sent through, you'd know that yeah, you would.
Nick Wise:Yeah, zoe, thank you, I know the one person, yeah um, but yeah, the I find it difficult to to go into sports where you have to spend a lot of money, because I'm incredibly competitive and I have to win. So if there's something that I have to spend a lot of money to win, I sort sort of go well, can I use that money on something else, mate, if I had expendable cash, the money I would put into that bow that I very rarely use ever.
Burso:How often have you used it? Well, I mean, it helps that my work is actually archery, otherwise I would not have used it much at all, but I would love to spend more money on a new sight, a new release, a new thing. Would it make you better? Oh, look, to be fair, I used another bloke's bow up in Benalla and his bow was like four and a half grand Amazing. But like the arrows were super thin.
Burso:It's like I don't know if you've shot pistols before, but like if you use a 22 versus a 9 mil versus like the um, a police one, it's like your accuracy is like you can hit it in the same spot over and over, but the arrows are so much lighter and whatever else it is that you're just like it just go exactly where you want. It wasn't even sighted in for me, but the thing was like going out to 70 and it was just hitting. I was just like this is amazing. That's like the counterbalances on it, all sorts of stuff, stuff, and you're like it does, do it.
Burso:Do I need that? Not even remotely Do I enjoy using my bow just as much? Yeah, so like it was cool to be able to use it, but I was too scared to put it down. I was too worried that I'd pull the trigger too early and dry fire it and the thing would shatter and I'd owe him four grand, like it was just. But you're just like, wow, there's some money you can spend on these and had I like, if I won the lottery or something, yeah, I probably would buy some stupid bow that I'm never going to use, but I'd probably get another surfboard as well. To be honest, I enjoy it.
Nick Wise:It's the top of your list if you were to win the lottery.
Burso:Yeah, no, I love it. Yeah, and obviously I'd make a podcast studio to do my podcast once every six months.
Burso:So definitely worthwhile investment on that one. But yeah, like I mean, what's that? And then, because Leggy had that bike and it was like all carbon fibre on the second hand, but it was like super expensive. And then he had a stack and the thing just exploded because carbon fibre is not amazing, it doesn't just bend or take a chip or whatever it was. And then he had to get surgery to get half of it removed from his knee because it shattered and all went through there like a claymore. I was like, yeah, that's not about that life, but he was mad for it. I don't think he's riding again still, though he's back doing refereeing and basketball, but I don't think he ever got back on it, but that's probably because he's not cycling anymore. No, anyway, that's an in-joke which is probably not an in-joke anymore.
Fitzy:Right, but yeah, so you did your last triathlon. In what did you say? It was April.
Nick Wise:In January this year January, sorry this year?
Fitzy:Yeah, it's probably the time up there, isn't it? It's pretty warm and there's a few trips around.
Nick Wise:That's not a sharp one is it, that was Echuca, oh yeah, or Echuca Moama. Yep Got to mention that. Keep both sides of the border happy.
Fitzy:Well, it's one town really isn't it?
Burso:Yeah, Depends who you ask Lucky, no one listens to us up there, or they'll be getting emotional over that, or Brewadonga. Same. Thing.
Fitzy:Yep. So are you going to do more of the triathlon? Will you sign up for the Chuka one again next year?
Nick Wise:Probably not this one, because there's still a little bit of training involved in it. You can have a baseline fitness, but, as I said, I tend to throw everything into things. So if I don't think I've got enough time to actually get fit enough to be competitive, I'll probably wait for the next opportunity. But yeah, I'm not going to say no to doing it again.
Fitzy:So how did you go when you did those? So I mean, you've gone boxing, you've bloodied up someone, you've done your triathlons. How did you go? Did it come out where you thought you were going to sort of?
Nick Wise:finish up. I would have liked to have finished a little bit higher, so for you was it about the placing, or was it about the time?
Nick Wise:Oh, it's always about the placing for me Okay, but realistically, each time doing it I've improved on my time, so that's what I should be focusing on. But the swimming isn't exactly my strong suit, so I have to try and make up a lot of time in the ride and run, but then when you're on a bike, like I said that it was, but then when you're on a bike, like I said that it was, it's probably hard to make up too much time against the carbon fibre warriors, like you suggested, chris.
Burso:Is there a pool and stuff up in Chep? Surely?
Nick Wise:they have a pool.
Burso:Yeah, Chep's a matter of being able to get there Sporting town they love it.
Nick Wise:Yeah, there's plenty of facilities there, so I was able to train fairly well there, and it probably just comes down to my ability, more so than the facilities that are available.
Burso:Yeah Well, I mean a lot of that's time, though being able to like you're only as good as what you do, but like if there's I mean you're a farmer and a buddy and have a full-time job and you're a young dad, so it's not the easiest thing to then also fit in swimming. Like if you want to go for a run you can just throw some shoes on and go. Same as a bike you can go for a run. The swimming parts, especially out country, it's the hardest thing to do probably.
Nick Wise:Yeah, I think that was the hardest part to train for, because you've got to pay to be able to train for it, which again is more of that cost that you were describing before. Um, and the time. So having two boys under two trying to give them and my wife some attention while also working, and everything you you feel quite selfish then saying, all right, well, I'm going to go and swim for half an hour and then ride for two hours and then run for an hour.
Fitzy:That comes up a lot. We had Nick on who's got little ones. He's got his second little one that's just come along. He's the same.
Fitzy:When I'd go running with him training for his run, he always felt guilty about being out and spending time out running and couldn't see, like sometimes I'd sort of say, well, what about the benefits? You know, do you think your wife's going to be happy in you know 10 years' time when you're still fit and you know, I think, like you, taking that little bit of time for yourself is probably a good thing.
Nick Wise:Yeah, I think that's absolutely essential, and my wife and I do balance it quite well so that she's able to go to the gym and stuff as well, because it is for that reason I want to be able to play with my kids while they're young and then when they're a little bit older if they want to. You know, if my sons want to start playing footy and they're like, hey, dad, can we play on the same team, if that ever came up, well, yeah, I'll be fit enough to Also, I think they take some, they watch, kids watch what their?
Fitzy:parents do, and if they're seeing that you're motivated and out doing things, that's probably that little bit easier for them to go well, yeah, I want to have drive and I want to do something as well.
Burso:Yeah, Mrs Trains as well, Like she was doing running first. Isn't that the whole reason?
Nick Wise:Well, I mean, she's done everything and I guess that's as a result of both her parents having done sports while she was growing up. But she's done triathlons, she's done Olympic weightlifting. She's make the podcast about her now, but she was actually one of the coaches for the Victoria. I'm sure she'll be mortified. She'll be loving it. She was one of the coaches for the I don't know school-age Olympic lifting team for Victoria or something. At some stage went overseas for various competitions. She's done all forms of dancing to quite some level and I think that's why we click quite well. We're very competitive.
Burso:All forms of dancing, all forms.
Nick Wise:Okay, yep In a competitive sense.
Burso:Yeah, no, I'm.
Nick Wise:Yeah, no. Well, what are you going to do for a dollar? Better click one of those buttons now or I'll get into a lot of trouble. Yeah, that'll do.
Fitzy:Actually probably not that one, because that sounds like someone sliding down a pole.
Burso:Okay, we can't say that anymore, but yeah, because it seemed like she was the one that got you into running, because she was doing it first and then you started doing it.
Nick Wise:Well, ironically, I think the last time I was here was because she was doing the Great Ocean Road Marathon, which again that's far too much running for me, and you did some Team Lulu things as well.
Fitzy:You should have a look at that one. That's a good run.
Nick Wise:Look, if I was going to do a marathon, I think that's probably the one I'd do, just because I'd have something to look at, yeah, but yeah, we also did Spartan with our Team Lulu shirts on, so Team Lulu.
Fitzy:Did you have shirts on or shirts off? Because I see those Spartan guys like doing their thing and they love to pull their gear off.
Nick Wise:See, I'm a little bit more humble than that.
Fitzy:So I kept mine on.
Burso:You just didn't have the abs for it. Yeah, well they're both snagged their tops off there. In pretty good shape they are, but they're still flogs. Yeah, they're good rigs, though. Yeah, both can be true.
Nick Wise:No, we kept our shirts on and they were for Team Lulu, which we had the ovarian cancer ribbon on them as well from my mother-in-law, so that was her first time going through that battle.
Fitzy:Were you raising money to help her, or was it just a show of support?
Nick Wise:We were trying to raise a little bit of money to go to the Ovarian Cancer Foundation. But it was also she's sports mad, so she played tennis competitively her whole life and done triathlons and everything, and that was obviously a time where she couldn't do that. So it was kind of allowing her to live vicariously through us to some extent. So, yeah, we did a Spartan race and then we did a team triathlon with my wife and her dad wearing the T-shirts again.
Fitzy:What was that? Team one Was that one where you each did a leg.
Nick Wise:Yeah, so Sarah did the swim, her dad did the bike and then I did the run, which that's a fairly common thing, particularly in the Chukamaiama triathlon now. So it's only a sprint event typically, but it allows people to maybe set record times, for instance, because they might only want to do the 5K as quick as they can.
Fitzy:What's a sprint distance? What's that mean?
Nick Wise:It depends where you do it, but typically it's, I think, 500 metres swimming, 20K ride and then a 5K run. So it's usually you're over and done within an hour.
Fitzy:So it's certainly not a sprint.
Nick Wise:Well, yeah, I mean it's deceptive, but in terms of like an Ironman's stupid distances, it's very much a sprint compared to that, because it might be, you know, less than an hour and a half's actual exercise time as opposed to eight or nine hours, sort of thing.
Fitzy:And is that sort of the distances that you've been focusing on when you have done them?
Nick Wise:Yeah, and I think main reason harking back to timing and not wanting to be away from the family too much is to train for anything greater than that would be so time-taxing that the sprint was sort of like okay, well, I can do a few swims and a few runs and I'll be fit enough, versus actually needing to spend weeks and weeks in the pool and whatever else. Yeah, yeah.
Fitzy:Sorry, chris is just on his phone, yeah. He's just checking the stats.
Burso:Oh, you guys are welcome to bloody. Have your heart about it. I'm just trying to check what the weather in Algiers is. I don't know why you guys are being like this.
Nick Wise:What is?
Burso:it. Nah, I'm lying Way to call me out, you two. Yeah, so are we happy with the triathlons? We're done, yeah, moving on.
Fitzy:Yeah, yeah, happy.
Burso:I'm happy. Do we want to talk about-?
Fitzy:Guys doing some boxing triathlon yeah.
Burso:Do we want to talk about actually getting in the ring? Can do, can do. Yeah, obviously you've got your 12 weeks in the mean app. Was there any time in your lead up to the boxing during the 12 weeks where you're like I don't know if I'm actually about this?
Nick Wise:every day. Now, in all honesty, it is that, like every day, you sort of go through that fight or flight thing of do I really want to do this? What are the dangers? And particularly, is there much sparring? Yeah, there's plenty of that, and, and because we're all newbies for the most part, that's why I actually wanted to go to the fight classes, where the sparring was quite well choreographed, let's say, when you're actually with the guys who've done it for a while, whereas when we were doing it with some of the people who'd done less of it, yeah, they kind of don't know where the limit is.
Fitzy:It's kind of like a fight, basically.
Nick Wise:You'd be sparring against someone who doesn't necessarily throw hard enough and you're like, well, I'm going to cop it worse than that, can you throw a bit harder? But then you'd be against someone else who's just throwing these wild haymakers and you're like, well, that nearly knocked me out and this is just meant to be sort of touch sparring.
Burso:It's a common problem with a lot of martial arts with like the newbies. Going with newbies is like dangerous because they don't know how to like. Oh, they end up pulling someone's elbow out of their socket. They do an ACL, they do whatever else it is because people don't know what the limits are, and same as boxing or Kung Fu or whatever else it is they're doing. People just throw a punch going. I know I just have to throw it to get it in there, yeah, but like, whereas a professional will be like no, I'm not going to do that, I'm like he's well open.
Nick Wise:Yeah, they're like he's well open, I'm just going to drop him if I do this. Well, the other interesting thing was the group. It's like we kind of got matched up based on weight classes against the person we were going to fight against, going to fight against. But even in the group there was a diverse range, so it was both genders, different weight classes. So when you're doing your sparring you might be up against. There was one guy I was against. He was 126 kilos, so when you're sparring him it's like okay, I might be fitter and faster.
Fitzy:You might get 10 shots in, but his one that he lands on you is going to probably hurt a bit, exactly right, he's going to probably hurt a bit, exactly right?
Nick Wise:And if yeah, just going to run around just like slapping him around and then just go, but if he throws one and it connects and that actually happened Like there was one thing where we were sparring and you know I got a good couple of shots in and then I was off balance in that one punch, like yeah, it downed me. And the coach is like I know you're not knocked out, but that didn't look great.
Burso:Sit the next couple of plays out, and then there'd be times where Did it rock you there? Like were you just like, oh geez, get weak in the knees, and all that type of stuff.
Nick Wise:No, I didn't have any of that. It was more just like the white line fever kicked in because I wanted to try and get back up and almost prove myself.
Burso:Yeah you're like it's a fight now.
Nick Wise:Basically, yeah. And then there'd be other times where, for whatever reason, you were matched up with one of the girls, and that was one of those times where I was like, okay, well, we've just got to have a limit. And all the guys amongst the group were like, well, I can't morally go ahead with this and hit a girl. But then you cop a haymaker to the ear that you weren't expecting. Oh, what do?
Burso:I do now. And now you're like oh, now it's equal rights, equal fights, Something it's 2000s yeah maybe let's play the game, yeah, something like that. Yeah, so the sparring I mean the sparring gets you ready for it. But then you also then have the fact that you're going to get into a ring, potentially get knocked out in front of a crowd. There's one thing to go, yeah, let's like challenge someone to a fight and then like go look, we're going to do it Sunday at 3 o'clock, you and me, let's go and do it.
Nick Wise:I think the strange thing was even going into, we had to wear headgear and everything, so knockouts weren't necessarily going to happen and our coach was sort of like, oh well, Sure you can still get knocked out with headgear on. Absolutely you can, but it has to be a very well-placed punch. But going into it, our coach was like, oh, none of you are really going to be throwing that hard. And my fight was the first one on the card.
Nick Wise:Well, yeah, me and the guy I was fighting against. We both came off and the coach was like oh, you actually thought one of you was going to get knocked out. I didn't know you were going to throw that hard?
Burso:Was he just expecting it to be an exhibition sort of sparring?
Nick Wise:Basically, yeah, and you know, to some extent you would understand why, based on the training we'd done. But I think both of us, once we got in there, it was like, well, we're both done our hails, but he must have realised that training versus this is it like he's vastly different. I don't know that any of us had really shown enough during that training for him to understand what we might have been capable of.
Burso:I don't know.
Nick Wise:But yeah, I think some of us sort of shocked him a little bit in a good way.
Fitzy:When you got in there, were you worried, like Chris just said. Talked about being worried about being knocked out. Was that something that you were worried about? Or were you more in there to sort of go to prove that you could fight better than that person, or you just wanted to win?
Nick Wise:I think by the time the actual fight night came around, it was almost just having completed a task. So I was very nervous leading up to it. But when I think back now, I don't really know why, other than maybe it was the idea of being in front of a crowd or something like that. But there was no point where I thought, oh, I could get knocked out here or this is going to hurt or anything, because I'd become accustomed to the idea well, I'm going to get hit. It's unlikely that I'm really going to get hurt, I think.
Fitzy:I can relate to that. That's why I asked the question, because when Chris was talking about being knocked out, I'm thinking if I ever did something like that, I don't think I'd care about being knocked out in front of anyone. I don't think I'd be embarrassed. I don't think I'd care. I don't really have that sort of bravado where I think I can belt someone up or anything like that it would be more just about, like you said, a task type thing, where you want to complete what you've done.
Nick Wise:Yeah, and I think if you go into it worrying about that or being so consumed by that, you're probably going to actually get hurt because you're doing it for the wrong reason, whereas if you go into it with a very determined purpose which is, I guess, what I was doing it for you're going to enjoy it more. For a start, and in terms of getting knocked out, well, I mean, I reckon I've been knocked out a few times on the footy field in front of a crowd and I got over that pretty quick, yeah, but that's like you get sniped, you get you know.
Burso:Like people shepherd you and they do whatever. Like someone goes to speak, they knee you in the back of the head and that sort of stuff. Like people get knocked out at footy all the time. You're like, yeah, well, they don't even see it coming, like it's not a thing, whereas that's actually the aim in boxing is to like floor the other person. There's not really much else in the way of like you know, like fighting is pretty brutal and it's literally just going. Which man is better, basically?
Burso:Like literally just going. Which man is better, basically like, as opposed to the other sports? Like if I'm playing basketball in front of a crowd, I'll be like, cool, we're a team playing footy, sure, we're a team. Like I've dislocated fingers, you know, had butt, noses been knocked out, whatever else it is? And it's like you're just one in the team and it's like you just expect that to happen, whereas like they're literally in a room. It's very gladiatorial where you.
Burso:They're both the people like murder the other person. You know like it's a. It's a different vibe, there's nowhere to hide and it's literally just on you. And people's perception of like fighters is vastly different. You know, like if you play a contact sport, people like yeah, that's cool and they get around you. But like you watch a fighter, they're like that guy's a little bitch, he did this and did that. Like not not that any of those people have got in a ring or would get in a ring or whatever else it is, but it's just a different vibe where you go in there and then like losing there. It just seems to be different. People just look at it differently. Like oh, you're a little bitch, you got beat up by that dude or whatever.
Fitzy:You're right, because I don't really look at it as a sport, so much Not that I don't think that they're fit or anything, I just don't look at it.
Nick Wise:I'm not interested in that it's not your jam, it's not my thing at all where I look at it and go.
Fitzy:I can appreciate that they're very fit and all that, but you'd never sit there and see me watching boxing or anything.
Burso:Yeah, like it's not an interest for you, just no interest.
Fitzy:No, likewise, I've seen you. You spent more time at a running race than like a lot of people I know. You ran with us for a little bit.
Burso:Well, actually, I did not run with you, you walked with us. But that's supporting you guys as a crew. That's not a yeah again, that's having a different purpose, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just me going. You guys are trying, I have no interest in doing it, whereas like if a mate of mine was like going to boxing, like I'd be emotionally invested in that.
Fitzy:I think a mate, definitely mate, or something I'd be there like to.
Burso:Yeah, but also like watching a mate of mine, like losing a fight like I would be, like I'd be, it'd be hard pressed not to like. I get why people jump in the ring and lose their shit over it.
Nick Wise:You know like you've got to jump in and back them up. The emotional responses of the crowd, I think, was the most interesting thing for me because, like everyone, there was around 200 people there that turned up on the night.
Fitzy:Were any of them calling out bitch or anything like that. Well, that's the thing.
Nick Wise:While I was in the ring, I was like oh, it sounded like the crowd was really loud and everything and in hindsight they probably weren't because the fights afterwards everyone was like pretty silent, because I think some people probably weren't expecting it to be quite as confronting, for lack of a better phrase.
Fitzy:Were they as violent as you guys, as the ones after?
Nick Wise:I would say no, there you go.
Fitzy:Maybe they just saw the show in the first one and then the rest of it was a bit of a letdown, potentially.
Burso:But it could have been that or they or there might have been people in the audience going my wife or my husband's going to be in the next one, and that's a lot more aggressive than I thought it was going to be, and now I'm concerned.
Nick Wise:I think that's you watch the faces of some people in the crowd as well and you can see them trying to digest what's going on because, like you mentioned, if if you're not necessarily into that sort of sport, it's hard to sit there and watch it. You watch the big fights and everyone's really revved up in the crowd because that's what they're there for. They specifically like that, Whereas this crowd, for the most part the couple who own the gym they're well-known in the community, they do a lot for the community, so everyone was like, oh well, we'll get around it. But I think some of them, even though they knew it was a boxing match, probably weren't expecting quite the spectacle. Let's say that they saw because it is.
Fitzy:They were expecting Rocky, and they got what did they get?
Nick Wise:Yeah, where are you going with that?
Fitzy:They got Jake Paul and Mike Tyson I didn't get paid that much. I wasn't thinking along those lines where it was like a letdown. I think it's more grassroots is what I was thinking, like they were expecting this big.
Nick Wise:Well, potentially that, but I think it was also. They didn't even conceptualise that actually people are going to be punching one another. I think it was just oh, it's a fight night, we'll go along and have some beers and watch something entertaining. But then when you actually see two grown men or two grown women, in some of the cases almost trying to hurt, purposefully hurt one another, it can be quite confronting. No, almost.
Burso:You're literally trying to punch a bloke in the head. You're literally trying to impose violence on someone else. You are trying to hurt them until they give up.
Burso:It doesn't get much more basic in a sport than two men into one man leaves. That's where I think it's very and watching people's responses as well Like if when people go in there and then somebody like people do start fighting and you're like, oh, I did not see that person like that before, and it's one of those things that's like that can't be unseen. Or it's like when you and like I used to have it when I was in the cops, for example, and there'd be like burglars and come into a house and then the husband would be like, oh no, take whatever you want, and then the missus in him would not be the same as they were before that, because he didn't defend her or do whatever else it is. And then, likewise I've had it go the other way, where somebody's come in and then old mates should go on full crazy and just like headbutted old mate, kick the crap out of him, put him in hospital, and then they're like, how dare you? Who am I living with? I live with a monster or whatever. You know like it goes either way it's.
Burso:It's an interesting thing once you have like you actually have a fight involved, whereas you know like if someone runs 100 miles, you're just, that's impressive and I can't even fathom that. It doesn't like, that doesn't register to me. Whereas you know, like, whereas, if something happens right in front of people, like when there's a fight, and you see something and you're just like, oh, that's like, that's full on, but whereas you wouldn't sit and watch Fitzy run 160K, you can't, you physically can't keep up with him, you can't do it and you can't comprehend it because it's not something you can do it. Whereas you can sit there and see something happen right in front of you and you're like it takes seconds, but like you see your friend on the ground, like in footy, when, like, somebody cheapskates someone's, and you're like how could someone do that?
Burso:yeah but there's like there's usually a player or two players on the team that are like quite happy to just come past and be in forces and just late hit people and do whatever. And then you see some dude on the ground like wigging out, doing the funky chicken thing on the ground or whatever. And it's different, man. You see that. And then you're like something inside you changes. You're like, oh okay, and no doubt that's what happens when the boys go to war and stuff.
Nick Wise:As soon as their first mate's dead.
Burso:They're like that yeah, and boxing or MMA or whatever else it is. That's what I do, like when people do jiu-jitsu, because it's not actually it's a great sport and you can actually be competitive and you don't need to hurt someone. People do get hurt, obviously by accident, sometimes they get random elbows and do whatever, but it's a competitive sport that they can do without that sort of thing, Whereas boxing you can sort of pull your punches, but if you pull your punches and the other one doesn't, they're going to whack you. That's why, like every time I see sparring, it starts off, people are jovial and then somebody just clips somebody and then you just see the other guy going okay.
Nick Wise:And then they clip the other person and then neck man out. That happened mid-fight for both me and Jesse, who I was fighting against.
Burso:Oh, it's Jesse, call him out. Got in, we knew it.
Nick Wise:Respect where it's due. No, I think the punches started getting heavier and heavier because for no other reason other than that animalistic tendency takes over. You're like, well, he's hitting me harder, I've got to go harder again. And it just goes on and on and on. And you know, we were wearing 16-ounce gloves, so lots of padding. But you start to feel almost those crunch under the glove.
Burso:But it's also your head rocking back and forth is where you get knocked out.
Fitzy:It's not just the blunt trauma.
Nick Wise:Yeah, so typically and don't quote me on this but I think professional boxers will use, let's say, a 10-ounce glove when they're actually in the ring, and the number of ounces equates something like the padding amount that's in it. So, um, when you're, when you're training, you might use a slightly lighter, less padded glove, because it's not as taxing on your arms and all the rest of it, but when you're actually having the fight in our instance, we had heavily padded gloves so we weren't going to do as much damage, but it also means the chances of a knockout are reduced, which I'm okay with. That, I guess in hindsight but yeah, there's a lot that goes into it that I probably hadn't even considered going into training for it. So by the end of it I ended up with three sets of gloves two different training ones and then the gloves we actually used on the night.
Fitzy:Still not as expensive as triathlon, though Absolutely not no.
Burso:I mean not until the surgery, where you're in hospital for three months and you've got a specialist trying to get you to talk again. There's a fair bit of money there.
Nick Wise:The hard part was actually spending money on a mouth guard because I thought it's only really for one fight and it was very expensive Compared to the four grand of each implant that you have to get to put a new tooth back in. And I still remember training at footy with you and you're throwing an air and elbow just because you know, but my teeth stood up pretty well to that, so I can't complain too much. No, I don't remember throwing elbows. I do. I never forget that.
Burso:Not on my own team. I've been tracking you down ever since. You've got the boxing gloves come in different weights, basically for different levels of padding and protection but also for different training. So you've got like 8 to 10 ounces they reckon are suitable for bag work and pad work. For smaller individuals or those with faster hands, you've got 12 ounces is the standard size for lighter training and pad work. 14 ounces are ideal for general training and sparring for average-sized individuals and 16 ounces are recommended for sparring and heavier training or larger individuals who prefer more padding.
Nick Wise:I'm glad you did all this research.
Burso:Yeah, I did it before I got in here. Yeah, it's good. So yeah, good times.
Fitzy:It's pretty good from memory.
Burso:Yeah, just off the top of my head.
Nick Wise:Yeah, just a couple of bullet points.
Burso:Yeah, so would you like? Are you happy that you've done it now, or would you like to do another one? Obviously, you and Jesse have got stuff to deal with offline.
Nick Wise:Look, I would like to do another one, just for the sake of getting a win I think is a big thing for me. So now it's not necessarily. Initially it was okay, check that one off, I've accomplished doing it, but now it's like, oh well, I lost, I need a win, otherwise it's.
Fitzy:Just on the win and the loss part, before you go on to the whether you're going to do another one or not how does it work with? You said you got a loss, but was it? I don't really know. It was based on scorecards.
Nick Wise:So typically you've got three judges and they'll I don't know the full way all the scorecards work, but it's kind of like, let's say you've been competitive but the other person was just slightly better, they'll get 10 points, you'll get nine, or if they're completely dominant, they'll get 10 and you might only get six or seven or something like that, and that's how they work it out at the end.
Nick Wise:So each round will get scored by the three judges and then the cumulative total is how it's determined. And I actually didn't see the scorecard. I don't know if they even kept them, but what I was told was basically you know it was just one judge gave one more point to old mate or whatever, and at the end of it, like I said, I'd like to say I'm pretty good mates with the guy I fought against as a result of all of it. So it kind of doesn't matter too much. And I wonder, if it was let's say, we were against a different boxing club and I hadn't been training with this guy for 12 weeks I think there'd probably be that sort of vendetta style response from me. But as it is, I'm like okay, well, I lost to a bloke. It's not a bad bloke.
Burso:But you also see, I mean I find a lot of the time like you look at Connor or all these other blokes and they obviously talk trash because they've got to sell tickets.
Nick Wise:But then afterwards, you see them, they'll be best mates for sure.
Burso:Yeah, and they're like man hats off to you. That was an impressive fight, or whatever. Some aren't, Some are disrespectful.
Nick Wise:You look at it behind the scenes, essentially that's their colleague right, because that's their workplace. So you can't have beef with everyone all the time, even though you guys try to call it out on here.
Burso:obviously that's shit to work. Speaking of Peter Hanlon.
Nick Wise:It's been a while since you've done that, so that's good, yeah, yeah, so you look at that behind the scenes.
Burso:Of course they're going to be mates because they are actually working together to some extent to promote their sport and it's also they've gone through that nobody else really understands what they've been through, Like I mean their trainers would, and stuff, but like they're literally going through the same training camp same time. They're both trying to cut weight, they're doing whatever, Like their shared experience is closer than anything else that anyone else has done. But I also think if you were to fight some random dude that you didn't know would be completely different, because you wouldn't see them as your mate.
Nick Wise:No, and I think that was the biggest part about this If it had been a complete random, you start to analyse it all and go would I have actually started punching harder or would I have reacted differently? And I'll never know unless I actually go for another one. But as it was, yeah, he was a good bloke.
Burso:He was a good bloke, not anymore Old Jesse. We need to work out what his last name is so we can get him.
Nick Wise:I won't go that far, I'll get myself in trouble.
Burso:So what challenges do you reckon you're going to do in 2025? Do you reckon you'll do another boxing match then, or are you sitting the next one out?
Nick Wise:Well, I had wanted to potentially do High Rocks this year, but probably left my run a bit. Is that Spartan?
Fitzy:No, no, that's where they can get around with their t-shirts off inside of the building. Yeah, I'm just looking for excuses to get my shirt off.
Nick Wise:basically, yeah yeah, pick them. You do various stages, we'll say, of basically aerobic exercise, and in between each stage is a one-kilometre sprint. Effectively, you've got to run it as quick as you can and typically, again, it's sort of that hour to an hour and a half time, depending on how quick you do it. Is this CrossFit? Is this Spartan? Is this whatever, it's CrossFit without skill which works well for me, because I don't think CrossFit is skill. Oh, you've got to be, I'll do the winter.
Fitzy:I think like all the things are set sort of, you know rope, pulls and weights and all those Sled pushes and there's wall balls, so there's a bit of CrossFit in there, but it's very much the cardio side of CrossFit.
Nick Wise:There's sled pushing and all that, but you don't have to try and lift a barbell above your head with the heaviest weight or anything like that.
Fitzy:I take the piss, but they are very, very fit individuals, absolutely. They do it like you.
Burso:Mate, I'm an arrogant flogger as it is. If I had abs and pecs, mate, I would be the biggest flog going around.
Fitzy:I would 100% be that. I would remind you of it every day too.
Burso:Boy, you wouldn't need to remind me because I wouldn't have a shirt on.
Nick Wise:Some offense needed, but you still take your shirt off at any point in time.
Burso:anyway, it's because I'm fat and I'm trying to get more breeze to stop my sweating Dirty bastard.
Fitzy:I'm the opposite. I had a skin check the other day and she goes right, I take your clothes off. I'm like, oh, do I have to? Yeah, we've got to check your skin.
Nick Wise:You just didn't want to blind her with the abs, that was all. No.
Burso:He's like the last time I did this, I got married. I can't do it anymore. The ladies love me, yeah, so boxing, you'd do it again.
Nick Wise:Yeah, I think so.
Fitzy:High rocks, so high rocks. You're looking at 2025?.
Nick Wise:I think so, yeah, because it's probably again, this is getting back to that idea of what you lean into as your natural state of your body, let's say, and my genetics probably play more so into that running and aerobic type stuff, even if I would rather be 110 kilos and 4% body fat.
Burso:I love that. He's like I don't enjoy it, but I'm better at it, so I'm just going to do it.
Nick Wise:And maybe there's a bit of a study on the imposter side of that. Who knows?
Burso:Yeah, maybe.
Nick Wise:But then the converse of that is, my wife wants to keep doing these marathons. But she can. Her quads will grow if I do squats. Like that's where her natural abilities are. I'm like don't do the marathons, go and do the weightlifting, that's what you're good at, sort of thing. But I think everyone wants what they don't have or what they aren't.
Burso:I'm not really overly keen on marathons.
Fitzy:If she challenged you to do a marathon and beat her, would you be?
Nick Wise:Absolutely, I'd be all over it. Yeah, I was going to say the last marathon she did.
Fitzy:I think I ended up just Did you think you could beat that time?
Nick Wise:I could do better than that.
Burso:I better not say that on air, but I think, obviously, I think you should, obviously you do, yeah, you've got to call an ambulance.
Fitzy:Be accountable. She'll make me actually do the marathon, but that day I ended up running. She's going to now anyway. Yeah, I know it's happening. I ended up just running 16 times to the front of it.
Nick Wise:Actually, this is really bad, but I probably don't even know what the time was.
Burso:Do you want me to ring her or blue tethering?
Nick Wise:You, she won't answer. No, that's a challenge. I don't know where to go.
Burso:You were saying what time you think she would do.
Nick Wise:Well, I don't even know what's a good time, because it's one of those things that I Finished. Yeah, and she's Look, she's finished all of the marathons and half marathons she's done, and all credit to her. It's one of those things where I think marathons are very much almost a war of attrition, where you just watch people drop out and around you. So even if you finish it, you're still incredible as far as I'm concerned.
Fitzy:Good save, so good save, yep so well done, wifey. So, yeah, but if she decided she was going to challenge you, that's what I take from that 100%, I'd be all over it. And I would beat her. Is that what you're saying? Yep, yep, right.
Burso:That's fair. You know dramas. Are you both going to run with the kid, each in a stroller, like you know, even it up that way, or are we talking?
Nick Wise:backpacks.
Burso:Oh, that's a huge call and I guarantee you she will call you out on that bullshit.
Nick Wise:No, because she also knows how they'd react and it wouldn't be healthy for anyone involved. They'd both be screaming the whole way.
Burso:Yeah, but they'd also be throwing up because they've been bouncing around. They'd be hilarious throwing up in the front and back.
Fitzy:I'm pretty sure they do a marathon in Shepparton Probably.
Nick Wise:I think they do. Yeah, there is a running festival. She did a half marathon a couple of years ago, but Will, the oldest boy, he's done a couple of park runs with me in the running stroller, and again that's a challenge for me.
Fitzy:What time does he get? He's in the stroller? Yeah, typically.
Burso:He's still done it Quicker than you, exactly.
Fitzy:That's all Christmas today.
Nick Wise:Probably mine, but on average when I run with him in the pram it's about 22 minutes In the pram. Yeah, now there is the extra bonus challenge for me.
Burso:Because it's about 10 minutes quicker than Chris, Plus it at 13.
Nick Wise:Keep in mind typically without the pram. I'm sitting around 20 minutes.
Burso:Yeah.
Nick Wise:But I also. There's a couple of other sort of semi-fit dads, let's say, that'll run with prams, so I have to beat all of them and then it's okay. Well, I've beaten them. I've got to start beating other people even though I've got the prams 20 minutes for a 5K, would you? Do 20 minutes in 5K About that, yeah.
Burso:He does it in 18. Yeah, see.
Fitzy:I think we've got a. I'm about 20 minutes now.
Burso:We've got Joe Joe from the Average Joe Joe. I don't know if I'm saying his. I won't say his last name, I can't say it B. I don't know if he wants me to, but he does. He would, he loves it I think he gets around 21 minutes or below.
Fitzy:Yeah, we did the park run. I didn't see any of you.
Burso:Mate they all had a shower and they were waiting for you all the time I got there to the end. I like to say it's because I'm being social with the gang.
Nick Wise:Yeah, well, that's what it's all about.
Fitzy:That's a slower one, that one, I get it.
Nick Wise:It's got a bit of an uphill in it and that's the thing. The Shepparton one again, it's all flat and it's around the park run. There is probably not a great call out, but yeah, it's fine. I'll still claim it absolutely.
Fitzy:Even though, when you click the stopwatch, there's a lot of people that would be very happy with a 20-minute 5K A lot of people. It's pretty much only the really good runners that go Well, and there are some very, very good runners at.
Nick Wise:Runnership, and they're done within you know, 16 minutes. Actually, you know what?
Fitzy:They don't. They probably don't do that. They're quite happy just to see people out running. They don't care.
Nick Wise:You've got the competitive elitists who are probably the B grade, realistically, and then the A grade like, oh, I'm really good, but I just want to support everyone. That's what I've found in sports. It's yeah, but we'll have to see once Henry's old enough, because we had to call him out now. I've spoken about Will, otherwise I'd get in trouble again.
Fitzy:Yeah, once he's old enough to go running for him, is he competitive? You're sort of seeing a bit of a side to him already where you start to think that he's going to be.
Nick Wise:Both of them are already showing certain signs and it's whether it's healthy or not, who knows. But the most interesting one recently with Henry. He's only seven months old, so he's still in the full-time push-up position most of the time, but he'll try and play with something and just get frustrated straight away because it's like I want to be up and running, why can't I do that? And he sees his older brother running around and, yeah, seeing his frustration, that's the competitive side already starting to come out.
Burso:Meanwhile, the husband and wife are sitting here calling each other out for not being able to squat enough, and they're doing marathon stuff.
Nick Wise:I'm sure the kids won't have any issues. It's healthy competition.
Fitzy:It's all fine. I've got a couple of nephews at the moment. One is two years older than the other, but the younger one is really, really competitive. They came down here not too long ago for the fun run that we have just in the local one here and the kids do a 1K run and the younger one when it started he pushed his way through people to take off and the other one couldn't care less. He was sort of just running all slow, tripped over at one stage. I mean he struggles with the coordination side of things, but they had a great time yeah it's good but he struggles with the coordination side of things.
Fitzy:but they had a great time. It's good. But the other one, the younger one, he's going to be a little athlete.
Nick Wise:It's all in his veins.
Burso:Needs to be more of that, I reckon. Do we want to talk about farms and stuff Can do? Let's do it on the next one. We're already at an hour and 16. Oh, yeah, yeah, all right, do it on the next.
