#47 Rogue Soldiers: Stories of Survival, Success, and Screenplays - Pete O'Hanlon part 2

What happens when a decade-long journey of writing a book collides with the unpredictable world of podcast production? Join us alongside Fitzy and Peter O'Hanlon this podcast episode, Burso hosts a lively discussion with co-host Fitzy and guest Pete O'Hanlon, diving into a variety of topics ranging from the challenges of publishing a book to transitioning from military life to acting and filmmaking. Pete’s journey is a fascinating one, starting with his time in the Australian Army and evolving into a career as an author and actor. His first book, a ten-year labor of love, explores his personal experiences and growth during and after his time in Timor. Pete shares how his writing evolved as he matured, with memories shifting as he dealt with personal hardships like a marriage breakup and the struggle of not seeing his kids.

Key Questions the Podcast Will Answer:

• How does one transition from the structured life of a soldier to the unpredictable world of writing and acting?
• What challenges do veterans face when trying to tell their stories, and how do they overcome them?
• What’s it really like to be on a movie set as a former military advisor turned actor?
• How do authors balance the truth of their experiences with the demands of the publishing world?
• Why is it important to push ourselves beyond comfort zones, even if it means “hurting” ourselves in pursuit of growth?

Anecdotes to Enjoy: Pete offers a humorous take on his early days of writing, admitting that he often threw some "mayo on a story" to enhance it, joking that "the truth can get in the way of a good story." He also reflects on his army days and the camaraderie built during military operations. 

Another standout moment is Pete's recollection of his first acting gig, where he insisted on telling everyone on set that he was ex-army. This led him to advising the film crew on everything from face paint to military protocol, eventually landing him a job as a military advisor. Burso and Fitzy lightheartedly tease him about his rise from an extra to a well-catered actor, joking about the stark contrast between being treated like a "scum-sucking leech" as an extra to having sparkling water and a shawl handed to him once he became a proper cast member.

Pete also touches on the heavy impact of post-military life, including how he initially took up extreme physical challenges like long, waterless hikes to push himself mentally and physically, akin to David Goggins. Yet, in a lighter moment, the group jokes about the common military mentality of avoiding trouble, like a recruit who accidentally found a live round during a training exercise and thought the best way to hide it was to shoot it.

This podcast is packed with rich stories, inspiring lessons, and lots of laughs, offering listeners a deep dive into the world of veterans who have successfully navigated their way from combat zones to creative industries.

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Chapters

• 0:04 Finding Success Through Persistence and Adaptation
• 11:11 Authors Discuss Narrating Their Own Books
• 21:33 From Military to Writing and Beyond
• 26:40 Challenging Mindset and Growth Through Discomfort
• 31:31 Transitioning From Military to Civilian Life
• 42:23 Navigating the Entertainment Industry as Extras
• 52:41 Film Industry Weapon Safety Concerns
• 1:03:09 Understanding Producers and Actors in Film
• 1:09:49 Arm Wrestling and Writing Paths

Transcript

Burso: 0:04

it's funny like we've been a couple of weeks off and I was like the first time I played I was like yeah and now I'm back in. I'm back in, like I also like just having a slider that I can go up and down. Right, welcome back. We are with fitzy and peter hanlon again. Right, that one's for pete, that one's because Fitzy's back. I doubled up, I doubled up.

Fitzy: 0:29

What are?

Burso: 0:31

you getting? Oh no, I've been off the buttons too often. I don't know what they all were. At the start I was pretty useless at the buttons, but I didn't know what they were. I already peaked. I peaked for a while there, I was all over. I could not even look at the buttons and I was all over it. Now it's still guesswork and there's a couple of useless ones. I think it's this one no, no, no, nope. That one, nope. I use that one all the time.

Pete O'Hanlon: 0:57

Crickets, that one's good too. Can you Sounds, or is it just?

Burso: 1:01

locked in. Yeah, no, you can do different sounds on it and you can do like another bank as well. So you can get like another eight. So you can get your own intro tune put it on there and you can make your own sound effects and stuff. But anyway, so we're here with Pitsy. I probably should have done that before we started recording.

Fitzy: 1:17

What other production tips can we get into?

Burso: 1:19

Yeah, well, I don't know if we've got tips. Well, I don't know if we've got tips. That's the other problem. We can talk about me trying to work out how it works. Yeah, so we were just getting on to. Obviously we just wrapped up with World War, Bloody Timor, actually talking about Timor, but now we're talking about the book process. I was just thinking so how long is your book?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:43

Oh, God Exactly.

Burso: 1:46

Like words. Like words Word for word, like exactly how many words, four characters, whatever you know.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:51

I think it's like 105,000 words, so 350,000 pages maybe.

Burso: 1:55

Yeah, right, roughly. So that was your first book, yeah yeah, and you were published your first time, yeah, so how does one go about it? Because that's not a walk-up start.

Pete O'Hanlon: 2:06

It's pretty straightforward actually.

Burso: 2:09

Like I, you're going to go back to thinking about it. How long ago and when was this?

Pete O'Hanlon: 2:12

Oh, it was a few years ago.

Burso: 2:13

now, hey, we're back. I can't believe I didn't do that for like every T-more thing you talked about last time. They were all in the past I could have pressed it 40 times.

Fitzy: 2:22

Was it just after you got out of the army?

Pete O'Hanlon: 2:25

No, I started. Yeah, I started writing that once I got out 2008, yeah, yeah, and I remember telling everyone I'm writing a book and they're like oh yeah, whatever Irish yeah cool story Irish.

Burso: 2:33

Yeah, cool story mate. I only go walk off into the bush and fracture your eye socket.

Pete O'Hanlon: 2:40

That's one way to kill time, buddy. Good on you. Yeah, so I just I don't know I stuck with it. I wanted that story to be told, whether it was mine or the Timor story, but you know it was from my perspective, so I kind of, you know, had to write it about from how I seen it.

Fitzy: 2:56

Had you done any writing before you were in?

Pete O'Hanlon: 2:59

the Army while you were in the Army.

Fitzy: 3:00

Never, never. So this was a whole new process, a whole new process.

Pete O'Hanlon: 3:03

Yeah, and I approached it with, like my own mindset. I never did any research or anything, I just approached it with I'll write the skeleton of the book, so basically the stories I wanted to tell, and then I go back and then I enhance those stories. I'll change them a little bit, enhance them, go back, enhance them and I did that for 10 years with that book change them a little bit, enhance them, go back, enhance them and I did that for 10 years with that book.

Burso: 3:25

So did you do when you said you went back so you didn't worry about the timelines and stuff?

Pete O'Hanlon: 3:32

they were just memories that you had of it and you just wrote that individual thing. Yeah, I mean, those memories are not perfect anymore.

Burso: 3:36

No, I'd throw some mail on a story anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The truth getting in the way of a good story. The truth getting in the way of a good story, exactly.

Pete O'Hanlon: 3:42

So, yeah, I don't know, To the best of my ability I wrote them. But then, like I'd go back so it was over a 10-year process and my mindset was constantly changing as I was maturing and evolving as a person I'd go back and read certain parts of the book where I was probably in a different frame of mind, where I was going through the marriage breakup or not seeing my kids or something, and I'd go back and I'd go, oh, that's so toxic or that's so negative or that's so victim. You've been a victim and I'd go back and change it. And then a few more years would pass and I'd go back and be like, well, no, I need to go back into that sort of mentality because that's what happened to me, or something like that.

Fitzy: 4:25

So it was constantly changing so I never thought it was going to get finished. Did you have to contact anyone from the past to go over some of the stories that are in there, any of the boys?

Pete O'Hanlon: 4:30

Yeah, I basically put out a group message saying that you know I'm going to use certain times that we served together in the book and does anyone want to? I asked for stories. I asked for a lot of photographs, things like that. No one really reached back and a couple of guys sent me some photos and stuff, but no one really. I don't know if they just didn't believe I was going to get it published or if they just didn't care, but no one really helped with the process.

Burso: 5:00

I think a lot of the times it's one of those things where you like, if you start it, then they're like oh, now I want to get involved.

Burso: 5:06

But, they don't want to be there for the you know. No, I mean, it happens with a lot of stuff. It's like the veteran games we had. The first one there's like 48 of us, the second one there's 110. It's like you go to a podcast and people are like who's going to listen? Who cares, who does this and does that? And then you start doing it and you're like, oh, mate, I really like what you're doing?

Burso: 5:29

What about if you're so? A lot of the time it just takes one renegade maverick to start something and then it takes off.

Pete O'Hanlon: 5:33

And everyone's. I'm not talking about me. I'm not talking about me. Renegade maverick, all right, maverick, everyone, I'm going to name drop Des Hunt was a pilot.

Burso: 5:42

He used to call himself Renegade Maverick and then we were part of his Renegade Maverick crew any time he flew somewhere.

Fitzy: 5:48

That's not true.

Burso: 5:59

Not everyone writes books.

Pete O'Hanlon: 6:00

These days I don't know.

Burso: 6:01

A lot of my mates are Now they're in Put their hand up in. Yeah, yeah, rod.

Pete O'Hanlon: 6:03

Henderson, spare me, can't go about social media and all this stuff. And now I watch him. He's all over it. I'm like, dude, you're doing better than.

Burso: 6:09

I am the thing that was funny like he put something on. I was like, mate, you've got to put a link on. All right, you've said click the link and you didn't put a link on. Then he was like you do this video. It's like that took me four hours. It's a 12-second video.

Fitzy: 6:26

I was like you know what you need to do. I know I was there for that day.

Burso: 6:31

I thought he was taking the piss but no, he was serious. It's classic. The social thing is funny. But even talking to him about that for example, he's been on Erin Mullen I spoke to Ben Fordham. But even talking to him about that, for example, he was. So he's been on Erin Mullen, spoke to who's that Ben Fordham? Yeah, up in Townsville. Now he's in the Bulletin and all this sort of stuff. But it's funny because the reason he got on them is because he was like 2 am, he's drunk and he's just like ah whatever, I'll email him.

Burso: 6:58

You have me on your show, not expecting him, not expecting them to get back to him. He's like drunk me. He's writing checks that save him the ass to cash. He's like wake up and they're like hey, mate, reference your email last night. Yeah, we'd love to have you on. He's like, oh God, what have I?

Pete O'Hanlon: 7:14

done. He was scared to put up a Facebook post.

Burso: 7:21

He's like I don't know how to do that or I don't want to do it. But it was also the same as what you're talking about. Where you reached out, he was like, oh, you didn't want to tell a story. Where he was like, oh, what about if other people saw it differently? Well, fuck, of course they did, mate because, you're sitting three metres from each other. It's still going to be a different experience, but also it's your story.

Fitzy: 7:36

Everyone's memories are different as well. I mean I anything?

Burso: 7:40

Yeah, it's funny, I'm like well mate realistically, the less people you ask, the more it's your story. Yeah, because the more you try I mean, unless you're trying to make a factual documentary about something, then sure, by all means, get everybody involved and do whatever. But if you're like like his book is literally called An Australian Stolger, yeah, and it's like, well, mate, it's like whatever you want to write is what it was, because it's your story, no one else knows. Stop screaming, I'm scared too. Love that, get it folks. It's a great book. Great book. I haven't read it, but I'll take your word for it.

Fitzy: 8:11

So did he, did you? You'd obviously published your book a long time before, and did he reach out to you to sort of get?

Pete O'Hanlon: 8:17

some advice. Yeah, he reached out asking about the process and I told him about the social media aspect of it and how I went through it and the journey that I took. I helped him get in contact with certain people.

Fitzy: 8:35

Has he sent you any royalties now? He's all shit mate.

Pete O'Hanlon: 8:39

I think he put me in under acknowledgement.

Burso: 8:41

Has he? He didn't have to do that.

Pete O'Hanlon: 8:43

Hang on a minute, yeah, go check.

Fitzy: 8:45

I think he's going to go check that one out.

Pete O'Hanlon: 8:48

Let's see if he did what he said he was going to do. Should be in there. I see bullshit.

Fitzy: 8:56

Oh good, that looks like a read.

Burso: 8:59

I'm not reading. I'll have a read. I just bought it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 9:02

Check the acknowledgement, see if he.

Fitzy: 9:06

Keep talking, I was going to say this could take me a little bit of time to find it. It'd be a 30 pages. Yeah, it was funny because we're it should be in there.

Burso: 9:14

Because we're out. I remember he asked me. He was like oh, I'm trying to get a book published and this, and that I said, mate, do you? Again, that's probably how he got on to me then, yeah, it is. Yeah. Well, because I had no idea how to do it. But I was just like, hang on a minute, I've already bought Pete's book. And I was like mate, do you? But it was funny though, because I mean, I don't even know if we'd gone on the same if we'd been on the bra yet.

Burso: 9:40

Yeah, but I remember reaching out to you I think it was just through, like you must have followed Sean or something. But yeah, but, like you know, I barely knew you and I was like, hey, mate, I've got a mate of mine who's doing a book, do you mind if I chuck you on his details? And you're like, yeah, yeah, no dramas. And I was like, well, this is pretty cool.

Burso: 10:04

Yeah, definitely Good on him, but it's funny because there's plenty of other people that wouldn't help each other out. That's when I was sort of like is Pete Blokes?

Pete O'Hanlon: 10:11

all right, I don't know. Like I'm sure that's there, but I just hope it's not. You haven't seen it. I'd hope the majority of people aren't like that.

Burso: 10:22

Like we're all here to help each other through this journey.

Fitzy: 10:28

Ignore this one, because it's not, it's not savvy, savvy? Yeah well, just pretend 17% off.

Burso: 10:32

Yeah, if Pepsi wants to sponsor me, they're welcome to as well. But yeah, so you got your book. So how hard was it for you to get your book published? Because you would have written it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 10:46

Yeah, I really.

Burso: 10:47

Did you say 10 years you were writing it for? I wrote it for 10 years. Yeah, Was it intended to go out to people?

Pete O'Hanlon: 10:55

Yeah, the whole reason I started writing it was to tell people that story Whether it was me just healing or getting that out, so I didn't have to carry it, I don't know. Yeah, it's just.

Burso: 11:11

Rod was saying it's. I think he was saying there's like three reasons that people write. It's not his quote, he stole it from someone else. But people are like you write your story to tell the story, so people know what happened. You write your story for you, for Cathartic, and then you write your story for your family, for your future.

Pete O'Hanlon: 11:26

Yeah, all three reasons. Yeah yeah, some of my driving reasons, yeah yeah.

Fitzy: 11:32

What have you got here? He has to all those writers, editors, publishers, authors and storytellers that I've lent on Peter O'Hanlon, first one there you go.

Burso: 11:40

Oh one, there you go. Oh, I was going to say what? So? He didn't write names, he just wrote. He's gone through.

Fitzy: 11:43

There's a few names in there, but you're number one Did he mention me at all. Good on you, burson, burson, no Burson.

Burso: 11:50

No, I didn't think so. I wouldn't have met Pete without me. But Whatever Rod, whatever Rod, we'll talk about this later. You should know, because I rag thick, as my book Mine's got a lot more pages. Yeah, I think they used the cheap paper on Rod's ones Bigger writing, or Weren't you saying the other day you haven't seen his? Yeah, he's got bigger letters on his. I was going to say the people who read Rod's book have got a lower IQ, but I've got three of his books so I didn't want to rag on myself. You haven't read them. No, well, and this is the other thing. Look, I haven't read Pete's book either, but I've had it for a lot longer. Al's reading it, though. It's funny. Other people have read books I've bought, but I'm like, oh, you should read this, it's a good book. And then when they read it, I'm like tell me about it there.

Pete O'Hanlon: 12:40

There's a few good ones out there now actually.

Burso: 12:42

Are you going to do an audio book for yours?

Pete O'Hanlon: 12:45

I don't know. I reached out to the publishers and they haven't really got back to me. I think it's, and I don't want to rock any boats because obviously I've got the second book ready to go. So I just kind of want to leave it at the moment. But I did speak to a mate of ours who spoke to a mate of his who's in the movie industry.

Burso: 13:00

Here we go, you and Rod, no, no, no, to voice it. Yeah, to voice it. Someone. You're talking to the same bloke, I don't know who you're talking about Hemworth. Chris Hemsworth? No, he's a mate. A mate of ours may pretend to be another bloke. Who's well off? That's the one.

Pete O'Hanlon: 13:22

Yeah.

Burso: 13:23

There's eight might try and get him on the podcast as well, while we're there.

Pete O'Hanlon: 13:27

We'll just reign him in. Well, there's another bloke who I was on cane with as well, so we're looking at him as well. Yeah, oh, okay, yeah.

Burso: 13:35

Early days, early days, yeah, that's cool. Why wouldn't you read your own book? I don't know. It's funny because there's a lot of people I speak to and they would rather hear the book read by the author. But I know a lot of people don't want to do it. But you do. Acting, yeah, I could do it. Like voice is part of it. I could do it and it's yeah. I'm just wondering why you wouldn't want to. Is there any reason? Or you just would rather Old Mate reads it?

Pete O'Hanlon: 14:00

Oh, if I could get Old Mate, I think there's more credibility there. Do you think that's being called Old?

Burso: 14:04

Mate, probably wouldn't if we then named him afterwards. It's just funny because I don't know if people are doing it because they reckon it's going to have more credibility if someone else reads it or if they just don't want to read it themselves.

Pete O'Hanlon: 14:19

I don't know, mate. I mean I've read that book so many times and I probably never want to read it again.

Burso: 14:27

So, like Goggins, for example, because it's one of Fitz's favourite friends, he reads his own book. Sorry, he doesn't read it, someone else narrates it, but then they stop and he has anecdotes.

Burso: 14:39

So he'll be like so they'll read it out, and then old mate pops up and then he's like oh, Gogoggans will be like oh yeah, I remember when that happened actually. So this was the behind the scenes of it and it's in Rarara, so that's sort of another way you can do it if you can get someone else to read it, and then you're there and you can just add an anecdote, so it adds to the book because it's the book plus something then.

Pete O'Hanlon: 14:58

Yeah, I think there's certain people out there that have a better voice for it who can kind of tell those stories in a more narrative, documentary type way rather than me going through it emotionally.

Burso: 15:09

I mean, don't get me wrong, morgan Freeman reading anything is amazing.

Pete O'Hanlon: 15:12

He could read a Pam David Attenborough or something you know. Yeah, Different level.

Burso: 15:17

But yeah, it's funny though, because I just find it's just different. If somebody who's written the book is in writing it because there's none of that, it doesn't mean you, it's just different. If somebody who's written the book is then writing it because there's none of that. It's when you write a script and then the actor reads it and the scriptwriter will be like that's not how.

Pete O'Hanlon: 15:29

I saw that coming.

Burso: 15:30

That's not how I saw it, but yeah, like if it's your book, I mean you'd probably if old mate read it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 15:35

you'd just be like, yeah, whatever you recommend, then how much is he going to charge? You know, yeah, yeah, I won't make any money on it?

Burso: 15:41

I don't know, because the first audio book I listened to was Matt Best. He does that. Thank you For my Service. Have you read that? No, me neither, but I heard the audio book. But I've got the book and I've seen the pictures. But it was the first reason why I got into audio books, because he read it himself and he's so good at reading his own story because he knows the story. It's him, so you're never going to get somebody who's doing it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 16:08

Yeah, if I narrated it, I'd definitely give a better understanding of it.

Burso: 16:12

Yeah, it'd also be an interesting way that you might get into voice acting and stuff. That might be a whole new thing that it opens up.

Pete O'Hanlon: 16:18

And, to be honest, it was my first book, so there's a lot I learned from that and there's a lot I want to do in the future that I learned from that. Would you want to re-edit it? I think I would in the future. Yeah, re-title it, re-different title page and maybe do the audio at that same time.

Burso: 16:36

Okay, what sort of stuff would you change about it?

Pete O'Hanlon: 16:40

They changed most of it. I think they took out about 5,000 swear words or something in the first edit.

Burso: 16:48

Maybe that's why Rod's book's so small.

Pete O'Hanlon: 16:51

This was all just him swearing because he was scared the amount of red pen I had on it.

Burso: 16:55

when I got it back the first time I was like holy shit, but was it red pen because it was just written like a two-year-old, or was it red pen because they were like you can't say that mate.

Pete O'Hanlon: 17:08

A bit of both. Yeah, a bit of both. It's written like a two-year-old it was. It's just very much my humor was a lot darker, yeah, um, some of the stories I told were were like brutally honest, yeah, and they just took them out they just and I, and I had to. I spent another six months once they edited it, toning it down for them, like the certain stories I. You can't have this unless you use this word, just because the words I used were just too brutal.

Fitzy: 17:27

Yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 17:27

Yeah, so there were stories in there that I wanted to keep and they said you can't keep them. So I changed the words. So when they read over them again, they didn't realise it was the same story it was just a lot smoother for them to read rather than just the brutal honesty.

Burso: 17:45

So can you write like Timor up late. So it's like remember Big Brother up late. It's like Big Brother was like oh yeah, that's fun, and Big Brother oh wow, okay, yeah right, that's loose. It's weird that a publishing company would I guess they've got. Do they have an image or something?

Pete O'Hanlon: 17:58

Well, it wasn't them, like they weren't handcuffing me or anything, it was more. Do you want to get it in Big W?

Burso: 18:05

Right and I was like of course, Of course I want to get it in Big W.

Pete O'Hanlon: 18:07

You can't have it in Big W. The original title was World War, fucking Team War, which is a story I told you about Paul Cowell, yep. But they said you can't have that. Yeah, like I'd focused so much on the book I'd never even had a working title, yep. So the publisher got back to me and said how about World War, bloody Team I was like yeah, sure that works. And then with that changing that effing fucking to a bloody, we could get it in Big W yeah.

Burso: 18:38

It's a little thing, isn't it? Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? Remember, rod, when he was trying to tell me about the book he'd taken it to before I got it on to you, he'd taken it to a few other people and they were just no, no you're not having that mate Really. Yeah, they were just trying to cut his story so much Like you can't have that mate, you can't speak about that, you can't do that no.

Burso: 18:58

And then, but he went to is it Big Sky? That he was Big Sky, yeah yeah, and he went to them and they were just like no, love it, they're amazing, Love your story, let's go.

Pete O'Hanlon: 19:05

If any military publishers are out there, I'd reach out to them first. Yeah, yeah, he come to me with that and I basically told him my story and from memory I think he was worried about changing his story.

Burso: 19:21

The things that they were going with. They were going to say the Australian soldier, yeah, and he's like I'm not wearing that.

Pete O'Hanlon: 19:25

Good on him because, like I changed some of my stuff because I didn't want to rock the boat. I was like, if this is going, if this is Virgin, I'm getting published, then it's like I'll play the game where I think with Rod he was. No, this is the story. This is how I want to tell it. Yeah.

Fitzy: 19:41

Good on him.

Pete O'Hanlon: 19:42

Good on him, would you?

Fitzy: 19:43

go back and change those again. So when you said that there's some things that you would change, would you change it back to how it was, or do you think the advice that they gave you was pretty solid?

Pete O'Hanlon: 19:52

No, I think getting into the big W and all that was a help. Australian Post took it Australia-wide, which is, I think, if it wasn't the way it was now. I wouldn't have had that. Yeah, and that was for a Father's Day special, so I'm pretty proud of that.

Burso: 20:06

It doesn't take away from your story. No, not at all. It's different if it changes the whole narrative to your story. But if you just they're like, hey, maybe don't mention that part where you were doing that weird stuff with the chicken. Yeah, you know, like if they take that part out of it, you're like, yeah, I'll probably donate that I was just grateful to get it out there.

Pete O'Hanlon: 20:24

I never thought it would reach that point, so I was just grateful that it got to this point.

Burso: 20:30

I remember seeing it when I went to. It might have been, no, it would have been Kmart or something, but anyway, I went past and walking past it and I saw your book there. I was losing it. I was like, oh, there you are, pete, I found it. I I was like, oh, there you are, pete, I found it, I found his book. It's amazing. And I was like yeah, and I went and bought it and I was like, yeah, Obviously never read it.

Burso: 20:48

But it didn't matter, because I wanted to be able to buy Pete's book, and the fact that you can see it in a store is a massive thing.

Pete O'Hanlon: 20:54

I think that was one of my best. Mum runs in and you know she nearly got tears in her eyes because she sees the book in Big W, you know, and mum's old school. She comes from a different generation, so seeing her son on the shelves in Big W, you know she shopped there her whole life. And here's her son in a bloody bookshelf in Big W.

Burso: 21:21

She was like, oh my God shelf in big w, she was like, oh my god, man, anytime you and it's funny because, like anytime you see a mate of yours doing something like I, I love it, I'm, I'm all about it like I saw when I saw you, you on cane. Yeah, watching cane was so good. Like you know, there's tommy archer. I've never, even I've never met the guy in real life.

Pete O'Hanlon: 21:35

We speak online.

Burso: 21:36

He's a great boy, but um like seeing him on that thing and then when he was on um what's his boy?

Fitzy: 21:41

that's one Meets World, Boy Meets World. Yeah.

Burso: 21:43

Yeah, because he was in there. Like he's got a couple of parts. This is funny, though, because that character he played in that is not anything like any of the other roles I've seen Tommy play. He's some nerd in a like some nerdy journalist. I'm like that's not Tommy. Like I showed you his short film the other day. Yeah, and he's just a mad off instructor. He's like all these drill movements just so too much for the movie.

Pete O'Hanlon: 22:05

Sorry, tommy, but it was too much buddy. Calm it down for those types of films. Dial it down to 11 man, he was like 17 even his off safe. It would be hard for him because he's his instructor and if someone called him out on some movement in the movies but at the same time you're going to be like you can't. It looks shit on the movie. Yeah, it looks shit.

Burso: 22:26

Tommy, To be fair, it didn't look shit.

Pete O'Hanlon: 22:28

but it looks over. It's over the top For that kind of film.

Burso: 22:33

Yeah, as an instructor, he is spot on on all the movements. It's so rigid. He should have just been like like this do that.

Fitzy: 22:45

And his hand been like like this, do that. And his hands like off, safe. Oh yeah, I'm off, I'll show you afterwards. I didn't say go yeah.

Burso: 22:51

To your left by numbers One.

Pete O'Hanlon: 22:54

I understand where he's coming from, because when I was military advisor for a film, I remember like I was doing up range cards I had the machine gun staked. Where's your arc?

Burso: 23:06

of fire.

Pete O'Hanlon: 23:06

The director comes in and he's like Irish, what are you doing? I'm like, you know, I'm advising you, sir. He's like no, I'm going to see. I'm not even going to see that mate, I'm just going to see this. I was like, show me the frame. And he shows me the frame and all my range cards and all my shit's not even in it. Yeah, I'm like right, yeah.

Burso: 23:26

Just to backtrack on Rag and on Tommy Archer. All the time the reason I got into podcasting is because he made a podcast, so I'm actually a bit of a fangirl over Tommy, but I love Rag and on him. In the meantime he doesn't even hear this, so eventually he'll be like he won't listen to this.

Fitzy: 23:37

No, Maybe one day when he's finished your book and um, yeah, mom, dad have seen it pretty pretty good days. Um, how long after you've got out of the military is this?

Pete O'Hanlon: 23:51

I got out in 09 or something, 08, and would have published that in 22 okay, so, yeah, right.

Fitzy: 23:59

So it's a long time in the making.

Burso: 24:00

I'm coming out long time but even so, I saw it in like Target or Kmart or whatever. It was like on the shelf, but I had to like go and look for it, yeah, and then like I think it must have been the Father's Day thing that you were talking about, because I went past a bookstore in Warm Horns, around here, and it was on a table and like, as I walked past, it was one of like eight books that was facing out into the walkway.

Pete O'Hanlon: 24:21

when I went through.

Burso: 24:22

I went, oh yeah. So, what's going on there? You're like, yeah, they're pushing it now.

Pete O'Hanlon: 24:26

Yeah, I think they did About 12 months later or something. Australia Post picked I can't remember three or four books for their Father's Day special and mine was one of them. So with that it went all around Australia in every post office, australia Post in Australia, which really pushed it.

Burso: 24:42

That's actually quite a large deal, because you're always at the post office waiting, yeah, and they've only got like five books to pick from.

Fitzy: 24:48

They've got some cool stuff in there too. They've got cool little knickknacks and stuff in there, little like the books and stuff that are in there. They're cool, Like it's a good place to sort of find little presents and things.

Burso: 25:05

Yeah, but if you're in of those five, that's.

Pete O'Hanlon: 25:08

My royalties, for that was great. And then the six-month period after was like eh.

Burso: 25:15

Oh, that hurts. Why? Why did they pick it?

Pete O'Hanlon: 25:18

I don't know, I never. I just got told.

Burso: 25:21

So it wasn't like you didn't have like an agent or your publisher. Didn't push it, just the publishers might have pushed it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 25:26

Okay, I don't know what happened behind the scenes. Yeah, I just got contacted by the publisher and they said it's been chosen for the Father's Day special and I kind of had to ask questions oh, what does that mean? Yeah, you know it was the same with the Big W stuff and that they were like you know, okay, big w have accepted it. I'm like big w they're like yeah, yeah. I'm like wow, that's big w.

Pete O'Hanlon: 25:48

They're like yeah, like crazy, how does that happen and they said well, you changed the title, which helped you listen to us remember that time we told you that thing yeah, you're welcome.

Burso: 25:59

So, and meanwhile they're sitting there going. Oh yeah, we are. We rolled peter on his first order.

Fitzy: 26:06

So you've gone from military, you've started writing a book. You said before that after you left the military you were doing some crazy sort of stuff where you were going to do 50K but you'd do it without water to try and hurt yourself. I had a quick look at your social media and I see that it looks like you get out and about and do a bit of travel and there's lots of photos of you out in the wilderness Tell us about that.

Pete O'Hanlon: 26:29

Yeah, it's like as I was explaining before. Initially it started out as some sort of self-healing journey. Well, I don't know, I can't really understand it myself. I used to go out there and just try to not so much hurt myself.

Burso: 26:46

I just tried to push myself.

Pete O'Hanlon: 26:48

What does it sound like? Like a David Goggins thing, but nowhere near that level. You know what I mean. It's like he'll go out there and he'll run a 100, 200K ultra marathon and he'll have a broken ankle or something and he'll finish it. That's just that mindset.

Fitzy: 27:04

To be honest, it sounds very similar to me what you were talking about.

Pete O'Hanlon: 27:07

Yeah, Like I look at that kind of individual and that mindset and I strive for that because I see, I don't know, maybe I'm different than most people. I see the average person and I think we're destined for more than going to Kmart, going home, having a beer, watching the footy and a cigarette and getting in traffic and going to work. That's the average human and I think I never wanted to be that. I always thought, you know, the worst thing you can call me is average.

Fitzy: 27:36

Did just going out and being in some of those places did that change? So I know you were out. You know sort of going out to hurt, to hurt yourself, but at the same time not exactly trying to hurt yourself, but you were just trying to you know, challenge yourself to something yeah when you're out there, were you finding that you were really enjoying being out and about and sort of going.

Fitzy: 27:55

You know well this is kind of a cool place to be. I'm sleeping out under the stars, I'm yeah, I'm seeing things that others aren't yep, and I felt like I was helping people.

Pete O'Hanlon: 28:03

Helping people, Like. I felt like just that, like I'd post one little thing, even though I might have been out there for a week or two. I'd put two pictures on social media and I'd get a lot of response back about it and I felt like I was helping other people even though I was helping myself. So it was a win-win.

Fitzy: 28:22

What were you eating when you were out there?

Pete O'Hanlon: 28:27

I think I was hitting up mates who were still in for ration packs and things like that.

Burso: 28:30

I think the going out to hurt yourself part sounds a little bit self-harming.

Pete O'Hanlon: 28:34

Yeah, I don't want it to sound like that. I was not any way trying to self-harm.

Burso: 28:40

The way it came across more is that like you were going out hoping that you got into some shit so you could get yourself out of it. Yeah, I used to do stuff where you'd get into a situation where you're like, oh, this could turn pear-shaped and then I'm going to have to get myself out of it or whatever, because you're just waiting for something to excite you, because everything else is so boring all the time.

Pete O'Hanlon: 29:01

The only thing I was expelled at 13. I didn't do well in school boring all the time. The only thing I was expelled at 13. I didn't do well in school, the only thing I ever succeeded in was the military.

Pete O'Hanlon: 29:08

Like I said before, I was a good soldier. I consider myself a good soldier and I hope everyone else there who served with me says that. So I never really had anything to fall back on. Just that mindset that I've always had is what's pushed me in my life. I try, and I try to say it's like a David Goggins thing, but on a much smaller level, obviously.

Pete O'Hanlon: 29:30

So you know, he's out there and you know the way he does it. He's probably battling with himself. You know he's probably been through a lot of stuff and this is his way of battling.

Burso: 29:41

In no way does his body sound like it's better off because of his behaviour Both his knees are corked with his neck.

Pete O'Hanlon: 29:49

It's going to come at it comes at a cost.

Burso: 29:50

It's coming at a cost?

Pete O'Hanlon: 29:52

yeah, but that mindset, but on a much smaller level, is how I look at it.

Burso: 29:59

Well, I think, what is it? The S3 boys are like seek discomfort. Other people are like get comfortable being uncomfortable or whatever it is Like no growth comes from you being in your comfort zone 100%. I think that's sort of the thing. But like if you so, for example, like me out of my comfort zone, it's me going. If I run to Fitzy's place and back, that's me out of my comfort zone. Fitzy needs to run.

Fitzy: 30:17

I do live 40K away, though, so like me, that's 400 meters.

Burso: 30:20

It's a long way you know, but like me, you know, like me, literally just going for a run, 5k is that's me. I'm already out of my comfort zone, I'm done, but Fitzy has to run 100K. Yeah, so it's like if on 10k yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 30:34

And I think everyone's individual and when it comes to what makes them uncomfortable, what makes them comfortable, I think I couldn't do what you do.

Fitzy: 30:46

I couldn't do 100k runs. I'm just not designed for it Probably not this way.

Burso: 30:48

I think if you put your mind to it you could.

Fitzy: 30:49

You said something before about the Goggins thing and Chris always says it's not so much that. But I don't see him as this crazy special human. I know that sort of might sound funny, but I find that a lot of people in the military have a very similar mindset to his. I think he's dangerous some of the things that he puts out there for people to go and do that. There's a difference between a lot of military people that go out and go and challenge themselves.

Fitzy: 31:15

They've been in a place where they've learnt to hurt themselves over time. They haven't just gone out and gone I'm going to go and do this silly thing. They've gone through the training, lots of different things that you've done in your military career. I think you'll find that that really helps you to be able to go right. I know that what most people think is hard. I know that I'm going to do that and then I'm going to do that 10 times over and I still might not be at the end of what my body will allow me to do. Um, so I I don't.

Fitzy: 31:45

I don't mean to smash goggles, but at the same time like I don't sit there and think that like he's just this, he probably is like a bit of a supreme athlete, all that sort of stuff, but the mindset I think it's very much a military one.

Pete O'Hanlon: 31:55

There's a lot of people out there like him and he's just the most famous I suppose we can kind of talk about in that mindset. But, like I said, I hadn't achieved much of anything but being a good soldier. So, getting out, I had no idea of how to expend that energy or expend all that training I had learnt and all this stuff I had in my, my mind. Getting out, there's no one. No one wanted that like. Where can I utilize it? And the only way I can do it was create my own kind of thing um, but normal, like normal life doesn't have all of those challenges either.

Burso: 32:32

no, and that's what you come back and you're like, right, cool, like I joined the cops because I was like, well, I can't, yeah, I'm not going straight to civilian, I can't just do straight civilian life. But you get up and you're like, oh, I've got a team's meeting today. Cool, I better do that.

Pete O'Hanlon: 32:46

Excel spreadsheet by the end of the day. Cops is a good way to expel that energy, and fireys and paramedics yeah, because it's still the same stuff. That's what I should have done.

Burso: 32:54

And at any point you're like all right, the radio can go off and that's it. I'm in a shootout or I'm in a car chase or, realistically, I've got a noise complaint. It's probably what I'm actually going to, but you know, there's always that thing where you're just always ready to. It could be today, could be the day.

Pete O'Hanlon: 33:13

Whereas that's not my day anymore. Well, like my brother, I look at him as an example. He's institutionalized Like I love him to death, yeah, but he was Army 15 years and now he's been a copper for 20-odd years and I worry about him. If he gets out, like I completely worry, what are you going to do? Well, you know he's safer in the coppers, even though it's a tough job, yeah, than if he got out, yeah.

Burso: 33:38

We had a dude at my last unit he's like 60 now, I think still goes like he would still go into the GAN every like what do they call it? The end of fighting season, because he was a reservist, so they were going over like winter, so it wasn't mad contacts all the time. But you know, at the start, the end of it there was obviously all that sort of stuff and like he'd going there and then when we pulled out I was just like what's this dude going to do with himself? Because that was his outlet basically.

Pete O'Hanlon: 33:59

Well, yeah, you see those boys who do their fifth, sixth, seventh trip, and they're just weapons, they're just absolute weapons, and then they get out, and then they just that's them done. Yeah, you know, that's it.

Fitzy: 34:21

So I don't know something about that mindset or something about that world that we gravitate to and we love, and then, once we're out, we struggle trying to find it or understand it. So part of your exploring, obviously, is trying to just give yourself some purpose again I think so yeah, yeah, okay.

Fitzy: 34:27

And that makes complete sense to anyone that's been military. It is very different once you're out and then going okay, what is my purpose now? What do I need to do? No one's telling me I have to be anywhere anymore. I don't have to, I don't have to do anything and that's.

Burso: 34:44

That is a hard thing when that's all you know. Um. So yeah, I think a lot of people can understand. I never understood the term self-starter in a employment category until I got out of police. So I did like I did nine army and then 11 police, but like I started at this time I had to do this. I had do that. My jobs were based off the radio call coming in. That's my job. Now it's like especially work from home. It's like I've got to get up and do stuff. It was the first time I understood self-starter because there's no dedicated start or finish time, so I may do a 12-hour day because I'm bored and I've got nothing else to do, so I'm doing 12 hours another day. I'll be like I'm sleeping in. Today there's like this it's just funny the, the regiment is so much different. So now there's all these terms that I saw on. These must be a self-starter, able to be self-motivated, this thing. Well, obviously I was doing it. But then I'm like well, I wasn't.

Fitzy: 35:27

Actually I was gonna get my ass kicked if I didn't get if I didn't start at a certain amount of time.

Burso: 35:31

So yeah, yeah, it's funny, you're accountable yeah, so it's funny seeing civilians, yeah, so you've just got a different sort of hardship thing where they've got to motivate themselves to do stuff. Before I was motivated by like no, you're in the shit mate, you're late or whatever.

Pete O'Hanlon: 35:44

I didn't mean to pick on all those people who had the nine to five earlier. No, screw them, screw them.

Burso: 35:49

I know, you can listen to this, so don't worry about it.

Fitzy: 35:53

So acting? How did you get into that?

Pete O'Hanlon: 35:57

From memory, I think I was again the purpose thing. I was looking for something different.

Fitzy: 36:03

How do you even get into acting? I don't know.

Pete O'Hanlon: 36:05

I don't know.

Fitzy: 36:06

I think I just Still trying. Is it the book people that you call?

Pete O'Hanlon: 36:09

and go, hey, hey it's movies before book I was looking. I don't know what made me lean into that. I don't know. I've never had a history of theatre or. Did Sean get in yet, because that's how I got into it. I started well, sean was doing stunts, I was doing my own thing, so we hadn't really. We hadn't even known about each other in the same industry. It wasn't until we both he put me up for Dora and we both got on. Dora the Explorer.

Burso: 36:39

Dora the Explorer, Dora the yeah the Explorer, Some wiggles yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 36:43

Anyway. So yeah, that's kind of when we first met, but that was about two years into our journey.

Burso: 36:47

You'd already been doing stuff.

Pete O'Hanlon: 36:48

Yeah, I'd already been doing a few things. From memory, I think I just reached out. I was looking for something online and that came up 16, 2016.

Pete O'Hanlon: 37:02

And what was that? What was the first? It was an australian indie film called occupation. It was like a sci-fi type thing, um, and I remember being on there and I kept trying to tell them you know, I'm ex-army. I'm ex-army like, just, you know, that's what I, that's what I had yeah under my belt, type thing. Uh, then I started helping them with face paint and I doing the camo on their you know Face paint, I love it.

Fitzy: 37:20

They had no idea what was the movie.

Pete O'Hanlon: 37:24

It was like an Independence Day type sci-fi thing, but with Aussie soldiers and stuff. So yeah, I was helping with that, I was helping with the uniforms. And then they took notice and you know they were like oh, pete's helping with all the army stuff. I was helping the art department, I was helping make up, sorry, what was that movie called? Occupation.

Burso: 37:43

I feel like I've seen it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 37:48

It's like dudes, like paratrooping down and whatever, and then there's like a bunch of redneck Aussies just hiding in the hills and stuff. Yeah, it's like that A bit different one.

Fitzy: 37:55

It was actually cool that's why I was like, I actually like that movie, did you give?

Pete O'Hanlon: 37:57

him any catchphrases?

Fitzy: 37:58

I'm big on watching Australian movies and seeing them fuck up the catchphrases.

Pete O'Hanlon: 38:04

The director made me fire a 66 and look back at the camera and do a fist pump.

Burso: 38:08

That's kind of what I'm going for. Is that your BB Day Clear?

Fitzy: 38:12

Yeah yeah, yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 38:12

BB Day Clear. No, I just start helping him with wherever I could and they were super grateful because you know they they really hadn't had someone come in from that discipline, the military discipline, into the, the art discipline or the movie discipline, and really be able to do both roles, yeah so yeah, I remember one of the one of the like the ad's, the assistant directors that come in and they're like oh, if you, if you can see something, help them out.

Burso: 38:39

Literally, the only thing you ever tell them is like take your finger off the trigger, take your finger off the trigger. Yeah, you want to look real. Just take your finger off the trigger, mate. Stop, stop doing it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 38:48

Oh, I've seen some funny when I was teaching them like how to move with the weapon and stuff, and they're like bunny hopping, this sort of shit. Oh really, I actually have a job here. I can go deep into this.

Burso: 38:59

Yeah, it's crazy. Oh man, I've been doing like extra stuff on this film at the moment and the amount of lasering that is going on, like, oh, look at this. And it's weird because some of the firearms are just rubber, so it doesn't really affect my time in the house, but other ones have got working parts on them and stuff. I was like, hey, hey, hey. People are like, oh, look at this, I could cock it and stuff.

Pete O'Hanlon: 39:18

I'm like, oh Jesus, it's funny the armour on that Because I'm on the same one you are when I went down there, he walked past me and he told me do you want to clear the weapon? And I looked at him and I went are you fucking X2, ariel First are you fucking ex-2RL?

Burso: 39:35

First thing I said to this guy and he's like Irish.

Pete O'Hanlon: 39:38

Oh really, I hadn't seen him in 20 years. He was one of my diggers when I was an instructor at Aubrey Wodonga. Oh really 20 years ago and here he was as an arm row, and here I am on set. It's like buddy.

Burso: 39:51

That's the closest I've had for that sound effect to work.

Pete O'Hanlon: 39:54

And it's funny, like remembering his face after 20 years. I just said are you Tuaria? He's like yep.

Fitzy: 40:02

Irish, Something like that. You know yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 40:04

Yeah, I couldn't bloody believe it.

Burso: 40:05

Oh, that's cool. It is funny because I've seen him on. I did a thing called Scrublands and I was like an MP, which is you just have to walk someone in and he went to you and he goes right, here we go, and he's like going through the weapon, but even just like how I took it from him, he was like, oh yeah, same dude. But yeah, it was just funny because when you receive it you're like, yeah, clear, oh, don't worry about it. He's like, well, that's yours for the day, because beforehand I'd been at other things that he'd been at. And he's like right here, and you take it and you get it back and he goes right, I need it all before anyone goes anywhere. Give it back, whereas he just gave it to me. He's like, yeah, cruise around with it for the day.

Pete O'Hanlon: 40:41

Yeah, I did like three robberies but it was fun.

Burso: 40:44

Yeah, that's interesting, but you so were you doing stunts first, or was?

Fitzy: 40:50

it literally military advisory first no, it was military Acting.

Pete O'Hanlon: 40:54

and then you pointed out that it was extra acting helping with the art department, helping makeup, just helping as much as I could on set, just making my, just making them need me, yeah, basically cool, yeah, and then is that, so you did that. And then you're like this is for me, or yeah there was a lot of similarities to the military, like you know really yeah, hurry up and wait, you know I'll sweat.

Burso: 41:17

It's so horrible. That sort of thing you know what the biggest difference is Eating. So, like eating, obviously you would let your diggers eat first. That was always the one rule where the diggers came first was food and not like in the movie you get paid the least.

Fitzy: 41:33

And you eat last.

Pete O'Hanlon: 41:34

Yeah if you get to eat.

Burso: 41:36

Because they're like, right and we're rolling, and and you eat last. Yeah, if you get to eat Because they're like, right and we're rolling and you're like, you'll still fall deep in the line waiting to get to food. They're like, hey, we need you over here now. Oh, spare me. Come on, mate. They just treat you like scum as an extra. Yeah, no, I did extras for a while and I was like never again. It's funny too, because it's not even really how you get into acting.

Pete O'Hanlon: 41:54

No, it's a different level. Ballgame extras Like I think you do yourself harm by staying as an extra.

Burso: 42:05

It's almost a disservice. So like and I spoke to one of the other extra boys who were on there they're like I, because I swore I wasn't going to do this anymore, but I was helping, because I was helping that casting agent out by turning up he's like I'm not doing this again. I audition and that's it. And that's what's funny about it is go there as an extra to see what it's like. But an extra isn't what being an actor is. You are a prop.

Pete O'Hanlon: 42:28

You're a human prop.

Burso: 42:29

Yeah, you are literally just. If they could make you out of paper mache, they would rather that. But yeah, saying that like I've been an extra and I've been in good scenes where you're seen.

Pete O'Hanlon: 42:45

You know I've featured extras, that type of thing.

Burso: 42:46

Yeah, I think someone who's starting out is, you know, gives them a bit of credibility. It's definitely. It's definitely a way to see if you're into it. But it's not like if you've been an extra in 45 things that doesn't mean you're going to get a shot at an actual role. You actually need to audition for stuff if you want to be an actor. But also I've seen some extras do some weird shit trying to be an actor.

Pete O'Hanlon: 43:07

When they're trying to jump in front of the main actor. Some of them I've seen over the years and I've just gone, mate, you're not helping your career there, buddy.

Burso: 43:15

There's a part of this scene that we were doing. It's like a selection course and they're like mate, you're a support, you're support, right. And then, like the main cast are supposed to be fitter and faster than everyone else, so they've got to run past right. And these guys are running up a hill like they're racing each other and you're like, well, for starters, these other guys have been doing the same running up and down the hill for the last three weeks before we got there. And now there's like these young kids in like 18, 19, and they're sprinting to try and beat each other up the hill.

Burso: 43:43

You know, that's not what, that wasn't what was read out to you, that wasn't what the scene is. And now the actual stars have to try and beat these people up there. And you just see, the crew are cooked, the cast are cooked. Mate, they're trying to get up there because these young kids are just sprinting. You are support, it's a team. As extras, you are whatever it is they want you to do, and it's about the other guys. You're just there in support, just do your role.

Pete O'Hanlon: 44:08

Yeah, it's interesting because I remember being a military advisor, those guys who were just wanting to be on camera, those guys who just thought they were actors as extras. I would just say mate, get out, I don't want you. You're interfering, get someone else in, so it does a lot of disservice for them.

Fitzy: 44:26

So you started off doing like you said. You were doing a bit of makeup, giving them a bit of a hand or just anything you could. And then how did you? So you've gone back now as a military advisor, is that?

Pete O'Hanlon: 44:35

Yeah, so the second one was Occupation 2. There was a lot of small indie films and stuff in between there and smaller projects and stuff. So I was kind of getting my feet wet and learning a bit more. After that first one and then Occupation 2, the director asked me to be the advisor.

Fitzy: 44:50

Good. So you made an impression on that first one. I think so, yeah, and did you also get any acting parts?

Pete O'Hanlon: 44:57

Yeah, I had a so what's the difference?

Fitzy: 44:58

An acting part? I have no idea.

Burso: 45:01

So you have to actually About three times the wage, but do you have to actually audition for the role too.

Pete O'Hanlon: 45:07

It depends on the size of the role. I mean if they know you and they trust you and it's not a big speaking part. I looked the part. I played like a bodyguard, so I looked the part for that role. I had a few lines here and there, but nothing special.

Burso: 45:23

So we met on La Brea yeah, la Brea. Did you audition for that?

Fitzy: 45:27

Yes, Okay, yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 45:29

I auditioned for that one Were you an extra.

Burso: 45:31

Yeah, yeah but I was an extra and then I became a non-speaking bit part. There you go, and even that right, and that's one thing.

Fitzy: 45:40

So they renegotiate your wage.

Burso: 45:41

Yeah, oh, they do. Yeah. And not just that. I went from being an absolute like scum-sucking leech that nobody liked to. I had a person bring me a shawl. I had an umbrella. They were asking me if I wanted sparkling or distilled water in cans. I Labrella. They were asking me if I wanted sparkling or distilled water in cans. I had my own little tent thing. You know you've made it when you got that sparkling, water, it was so crazy.

Fitzy: 46:03

I know you two are working on something. Are you getting that level where you are at the moment? No, oh yeah, you are.

Burso: 46:12

Yeah, pete is. But even at La Brea, right like Pete was an actor oh, look me and this other dude, we were just extras, right. And then um, but it was funny because we pete overheard us all talking, because a lot of us were all ajs as well and pete heard us talking, so he's like he had the actors hanging over there, but he could hear us going. Oh remember we were doing this and doing that. Pete goes. Oh, I used to be in the army. Remember when obviously didn't sound like.

Pete O'Hanlon: 46:35

Remember when remember when the whole cast turned up and I'd been in the actor's tent For about three or four days Just hanging you know Cool, looking at all the plebs over there In the extra tent. The heaters and everything Bringing me, bringing me lunch and stuff, and then the whole cast rocked up for this one. There was about 20 of them, all the top Top dogs, and I was trying to make my way into the tent and the casting or whoever came up to me and goes oh no.

Pete O'Hanlon: 47:00

Pete, you go over in that tent and I'd been kind of like you know, paying them off the whole time. It's just like, hey, you're with us now, aren't you?

Burso: 47:10

How the mighty have fallen.

Pete O'Hanlon: 47:12

It was so embarrassing.

Burso: 47:14

And not just we had to push this stupid cart up a hill, right, it's just battle PT. It was horseshit. We had these two donkeys on the front of this cart that they were dragging up a hill.

Fitzy: 47:25

This is La Brea.

Burso: 47:26

Yeah, but these poor donkeys were on struggle straight, couldn't get the thing up. So these two donkeys were cooked and then so we had to help the donkeys push the cart. It was one of the hardest PT sessions I've done because you had to do it and then go down and do it again.

Pete O'Hanlon: 47:41

And it was freezing, reset it.

Burso: 47:43

Yeah, and then they're like and reset, you're doing it again. They're like oh, we just want to do a different angle and this and that, and it was a funny talk. Well, okay, or Blake, whatever you want to call him he was like oh, he's how, how bad is it? And we were like but like it was funny, because pete realistically could have just been like, put a finger on it, not done it because he was an actor. So they're like oh, you know, mr pete, don't, don't exert yourself too much, you know. But obviously we were like oh, yeah, go on then. Yeah, I was like, I dare you to not put in Pete. He's like you want to be an actor or are you an AJ? What team are you on here?

Pete O'Hanlon: 48:22

I'm back there like Chris, you push. I'm going to try and get in front of the camera, mate.

Fitzy: 48:26

He's like, yeah, all right, Pete.

Pete O'Hanlon: 48:29

Made me look good, Chris.

Burso: 48:32

It's just funny. But other dump look, we had some other stuff that happened. This one guy he was there, he wanted to be a stuntman, so he's decided that him, as an extra, is going to be him auditioning for stunts. It was like they had all these little fire pits and stuff that were around, right, which is probably like I don't know Hexie or whatever. And then this one guy, so me and Jared were cruising around. They shaved both our heads and then this is when we became non-speaking bit parts.

Burso: 49:07

So we went from being scumbags to actual people. And then they were like right, you too, because we were the same height, both 40, both blue eyes, white boys. They got us as like we're basically the bodyguards for the head bad guy. And then so we just followed him around. That was our job. But then when he wasn't doing a shift, they still had us. They're like we may as well use them. So they're like oh, we need you guys to walk around, just bully everyone. We're like done, you are welcome.

Burso: 49:38

Anyway, we walk past. This one guy goes to us. He goes oh, when you come past, bump me and I'm going to launch myself over this fire pit and then like I'll do a roll or whatever. It looked really great in the background. We're like no, I do not want anything to do with this. He's like no, no, I'll be sick, it'll be sick, I love it.

Burso: 49:52

I said I'm. I just said to jay I'm not walking anywhere near that unit. And then jared walk j yeah, yeah, cool. So we split up and he walks past him and this dude, jared didn't even go within like two metres of this bloke because he didn't want him to do anything and pretend it was Jared that got involved. This dude, like comes over to Jared, bumps him, runs backwards, flies backwards, puts himself over this fire right, which is hexes. So now it's like stuck on him as well. So it's not an actual fire, like it's. It's a fire lighter. It's not a, it's not a charcoal thing that's just going to go out once you've like smother it and stuff, and then, yeah, it's like cut because now there's a breach.

Burso: 50:26

There's a. You know, some dudes have fire. It's a safety breach. It's also it's two hours behind that we've had to do an investigation for to go. Why did this happen? You're like well, literally nobody touched him, he actually just threw himself on it. So now they're watching the video to make sure it was seen and doing all this sort of stuff because they're like, well, we're going to get sued for someone getting burnt or whatever. And then like no, no, this idiot just threw himself on there trying to be an extra. But, like that, two hours, there's probably 300 people getting paid, so it would have cost them 200 grand probably for this two hours of everyone waiting. Because one guy was like this is my big break. And you're like, well, it was because he ain't going to do something again. I guarantee you His name will be thrown about.

Fitzy: 51:14

So saying that, like you've spent some time, you know, doing all these different things, You've already talked about armourers, that sort of stuff. So I don't know if you know where I'm going with the armourer type stuff, but in the US, or was it in Mexico or wherever it was? Yeah, can you guys see how the bald one yes, eric, bald one Could have got himself into this situation, and I think it's the armourer that she's been locked up, hasn't she?

Pete O'Hanlon: 51:43

I honestly don't know like the amount of checks and balances that even you know trained people do.

Fitzy: 51:48

I can think of it at a trained point of view. I can't sort of work out how it could possibly happen? That's what I'm wondering.

Burso: 51:53

I understand where Baldwin could have been like well, you gave me a gun and I don't know any better. I can understand where he would be like. Like he still pulled the trigger, obviously.

Fitzy: 52:02

When you're given a gun, though, do you have to check it?

Pete O'Hanlon: 52:06

A hundred percent. Yeah, everyone has to check it.

Fitzy: 52:08

Lock him up. Baldwin's guilty.

Pete O'Hanlon: 52:10

The safety. So safety goes around with the armourer. If they're doing the job right or whatever, and they're both checking it. If they're doing the job right or whatever, and they're both checking it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 52:20

The actor who's receiving the weapon is checking it not just the housing but, the magazine as well, yeah, it's funny, baldwin's done a lot of movies, hasn't he? Actually, there was one incident I had years ago where the armourer and I was only trying to get into the industry then, so I didn't say anything. But the armourer's got weapons on set and he's a gun nut. Obviously he's an armourer.

Burso: 52:48

So we're on set, like anywhere else. He's a loose unit. They're like congrats, we need this guy. Yeah, we need this guy.

Pete O'Hanlon: 52:56

Absolute tool Guns.

Burso: 52:57

Absolute tool.

Pete O'Hanlon: 52:58

But he's gone out during lunch so everyone's assumed these weapons are clear, because he's been there half the morning. He's just buggered off into town. He's gone into town to get lunch. He's come back and he's shown me what he's bought from the weapons store.

Fitzy: 53:14

And he's got live rounds Chicken, salad, coke, weapons store. So he's got live rounds.

Pete O'Hanlon: 53:17

Chicken, salad, coke, weapons store. So he's talking about what he's doing on the weekend hunting. So he's brought these rounds he's bought from the hunting store onto set. He's the armourer. He's got weapons yeah, cleared weapons In his Pelican case, and he's brought live rounds onto set yeah. So there's a series of things that could have started there. I had a go at him. I said, mate, come have a chat, because I didn't even want to do it in front of anyone else. I said, listen, man, I'm ex-military, you know. And I just chest poked him.

Pete O'Hanlon: 53:46

I just pulled his head in hard and hopefully I got him fired. I don't know.

Burso: 53:53

The ones I've been at that have had weapons. We've literally said they've called it and they went weapon on set. Anybody who wants to come and clear this weapon is welcome to come. So you'd have like 25 people who'd come up and have a look. Most of them are like anyone who was military would be like I'm having a look, so they'd come up and then they'd hold it. Obviously you'd have the, you know, in the bolt, the chamber, et cetera, because they don't know what they're looking for. But there are good armors that would be like hey, do you want to clear this weapon? And then they'll look at them and they're like yeah, yeah, that's clear, and he goes do you know what you're looking at? And they'll be like no, no, he goes. There's no shame in that he goes. I would rather you tell me that you don't know what you're looking for and I'll explain it to you. He's like these are the three places you need to pay attention to and do whatever. But there's other armors that would just be like yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 54:37

But it even happened with Blanks on a music shoot in Brisbane. That guy that got shot the stunty.

Burso: 54:43

Didn't they not have a?

Pete O'Hanlon: 54:46

BFA yeah, and I think he packed the round too much. Yeah, so a shard come out, got him in the chest.

Fitzy: 54:54

My BFA came off in basic training somewhere out and we were firing rounds and I remember being like back behind people and they just said, yep, play on. So here's me.

Burso: 55:05

Yeah, yeah, because it turns into a bold action, yeah you know like but when it turns into a bolt action yeah, you know like no, no, it was the styrofoam.

Fitzy: 55:13

You've got no pressure yeah that's what I mean.

Burso: 55:15

It turns into a bolt action. It's just a bolt action, so loud.

Fitzy: 55:18

And it was. It was blowing my eardrums out. They're like well, you lost it.

Burso: 55:21

Oh, and you would have had no hearing protection as well back then.

Fitzy: 55:23

You lost it and there I remember firing it, going Jesus. It's like I'm going to hit someone with this nut. They didn't care, play hard.

Pete O'Hanlon: 55:33

It happens. You don't realize how much it happens. When I was an instructor at Kapuka we had the recruits doing a section attack for the end of the course thing and a live round went off and what he had done is he'd been at the range. He had accidentally kept the round somehow in his webbing or something Accidentally, Didn't want to get in trouble, so the best way he thought to get rid of it was to shoot the fucking man. That is dupe mentality.

Burso: 56:01

That's the story.

Fitzy: 56:02

Somehow he's passed that off. That's his mentality.

Burso: 56:04

No, that's dupe mentality, that's 100%. He's like oh, I can't be found with an actual BFA on the weapon and everything. That was his biggest issue.

Pete O'Hanlon: 56:16

Unless he's packed it in with the rest of them and not realising it was in his webbing or something.

Burso: 56:18

But he's fired it. That's literally why we do that. I have no ammunition around me. What happens?

Fitzy: 56:23

when you fire a round into a red plug, it smashes the barrel.

Pete O'Hanlon: 56:28

Nothing good I can just imagine a lot of people shitting themselves on that one.

Burso: 56:35

It's not something you can then hide.

Fitzy: 56:36

I would have loved to have seen it, but from a long distance yeah.

Burso: 56:40

From at least like four people down A long way away. Oh, what did those guys do that I had nothing to do with? Yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 56:47

It happens more than you think. Actually, no matter how many checks and balances, it just seems to keep happening.

Burso: 56:53

Yeah, which is ridiculous.

Pete O'Hanlon: 56:54

Yeah, realistically.

Burso: 56:56

It's funny, though, because you look at the SF Boys or whatever else it is and the amount of potential there is for that to happen, but because you're so on it with safety and stuff that it should be there, but in movies it should be next level safety, yeah, but I. But I think the other problem is your director doesn't know what he's looking for. Yeah, assistant director, so you you'll, you might have 25 people check it, but there might only be two people that know what they're looking for, know what they're doing yeah, that's.

Burso: 57:21

That's the thing. He's probably been worked on films with armors in the past. I'd imagine so, and it's his career to understand that needs to be cleared, yeah but I mean it's like having a PA that does everything for you, Not when it comes to weapons, no, I know Everybody's responsible to weapons no, I know every bunch of responsibility but I can understand.

Fitzy: 57:53

I can understand where he's where his argument would be. I've had three. You can all understand where his argument. He's going to have that argument so that he doesn't go to jail yeah, definitely.

Burso: 57:58

But at the same time, like I can see why, like you look at how actors are, like even just going from me being a extra to a non is so much different.

Pete O'Hanlon: 58:07

Like oh Mr.

Burso: 58:07

Bortwood, we've all cleared it for you, mate, it's good to go. You'd be like, oh cool, did he even clear it? Would they just give it to him? They're just like mate. It's definitely clear. We all cleared it.

Fitzy: 58:16

I think that's not.

Burso: 58:17

The problem is what I'm saying.

Fitzy: 58:18

If everyone's supposed to clear it. Then there's the issue.

Burso: 58:29

There's an yeah, but as an actor you're just like oh yeah, cheers, mate, Thanks for that. You know, like handing over, taking over, Like you'd be like, yeah, clear, it's empty, it's just in that, Like we would explain to ourselves the state of the weapon It'd be pointing at the ground or the sky or whatever it is either way you it's the magazine facing towards him.

Pete O'Hanlon: 58:56

So you know, you know like that stuff will never leave us because it's been drilled into us. But other people are just like catch a knife? Yeah, it's a. We come from that different training so we look at it quite differently.

Burso: 59:02

I think, yeah, safety is so much different and like aviation safety versus ground safety would be different, but firearm safety on soldiers and stuff is different from aviation safety with firearm.

Fitzy: 59:14

I don't know.

Burso: 59:14

Shut up you guys diesel bath everything.

Fitzy: 59:18

We don't have diesel bath, don't you? Every time I?

Burso: 59:20

went out, the MAG-58 went straight in the diesel bath, not to me, the. Ramey boys would be like, hey, chuck it in that, don't worry about it, man, or it was CRC.

Fitzy: 59:32

You'd be spraying it with all the CRC. That's probably the Ramey guys that have stuff to do with vehicles.

Burso: 59:35

Black.

Fitzy: 59:36

Hawks don't go anywhere near diesel.

Burso: 59:38

It was great. They cleaned them up beautifully. We had these half 44 gallon drums, People would just chuck them in. We spent hours bloody. With a toothbrush on that thing, you just soak them in diesel mate. They just come straight off. I don't know how good it is for it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 59:55

Where are they now?

Burso: 59:56

Yeah, exactly Bought new ones. Anyway, I think, what were we talking about? Movies?

Fitzy: 1:00:02

Movies and you know just in the industry. So you've worked on a lot of different things now, yeah, and now you've had some parts where you're nothing to do with advising or you're still doing that advisor role.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:00:13

I'd really like to do the advising role, yep um, I really, I really um, love that, love that role. Um I think I do it well and I think with that safety stuff that we're just talking about with weapons, and then I think me it's obviously being a military advisor there, could you know, would help that situation as well, like that to have someone with that kind of knowledge on set.

Fitzy: 1:00:36

How much of your time? Is this a full-time sort of gig that you've got with the acting?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:00:42

I wouldn't say full-time. There definitely are blocks in between films and stuff that nothing's happening. But it's about that self-starter.

Burso: 1:00:51

Is that full-time acting, though? Because, like a lot of the other ones I speak to when I go there, there's like you've got your makeup, your film crew and stuff like that, and they're like we work every day for four months and then they're all talking about their trip to Europe afterwards because they disappear. So I'm just wondering if it's full-time, because they're like well, we actually work every day for four months. Um, because some of them do. There's like first and second set unit and stuff like that, so someone's always working when they're on it. Um, but you know, like pizza get weekends off at the moment, but that's only because they haven't decided.

Fitzy: 1:01:19

Someone else is working on weekends can you talk about what you're doing at the moment? I?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:01:23

don't know sure oh good, oh, we're onto something. What do we got here? They're working on something, something pretty big at moment, can?

Fitzy: 1:01:29

we talk about? Have we got any big named actors? The thing that's funny about it is it's in the. I don't know, because it's in the media. Are we allowed to talk about?

Burso: 1:01:37

that.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:01:38

I don't know.

Burso: 1:01:38

We're definitely not allowed to release photos.

Fitzy: 1:01:41

That's definitely a thing. Yeah, no, don't get yourself in trouble.

Burso: 1:01:43

But the cast has been named and it's been. Are we allowed to talk about?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:01:47

I don't know, that's what we're doing with that cast. I don't know.

Burso: 1:01:51

Who knows, I don't know you better.

Fitzy: 1:01:52

Not, I don't want anyone in trouble. Berso would love you to talk about it but actually he'd get himself in trouble. Yeah true, maybe I should be the one pushing for you both to release it.

Burso: 1:02:01

If you say it, I'll just deny it the thing is, I feel like you, but you can't give anything away with the story and all that sort of stuff.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:02:09

Yeah, or not mention the name or something.

Fitzy: 1:02:11

Okay, is it a movie Are we allowed to say that yeah it's a large movie.

Burso: 1:02:15

It's going to be a big movie yeah, it's like Lionsgate and Netflix, yeah, so it's actually quite substantial.

Fitzy: 1:02:20

Straight to Netflix. Are we going to have? No, no, no, you're talking a complete novice.

Burso: 1:02:31

So Lionsgate is a production company. Is it? Yeah, a production company?

Fitzy: 1:02:35

MGM type stuff.

Burso: 1:02:36

Yeah, and then so it'll go the way it looks like, because I've seen other Lionsgate movies that have done it as well. They go to a movie and then it goes exclusive to Netflix once it comes out, so it's streamed in the theatres, and then, well, it goes on in the theatres and then it's streamed on Netflix.

Fitzy: 1:02:50

Because obviously you're not just doing movies. You said before Kane, kane's a movie.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:02:55

Yeah, kane, I was safety, I was an actor and producer, yep.

Burso: 1:03:01

That's a Sean Barry produced thing as well, yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:03:07

So you produced that with Sean? Executive producer.

Burso: 1:03:09

How do the producers work, because there's like four different ones.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:03:12

Look at a producer like a staff sergeant who's trying to organise all the admin, trying to get all the locations sorted, trying to get the police escorts get the traffic control. They're basically doing that. Where the director's just focused on the film, the actors are just focused on their performance.

Burso: 1:03:32

You said there's like an executive producer and then there's assistant producer and stuff like that.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:03:36

Yeah, so like an executive producer is basically someone who's put money towards the film.

Burso: 1:03:41

And then you know, Are producers also investors? Then A lot of them are.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:03:44

Yeah, a lot of them are, because if they know they're going to make money on it, they get paid on the film and then they get their royalties or whatever their contract is, once the film's successful or not.

Burso: 1:03:54

Yeah, so the executive producer, like what sort of is that? Like the top producer? No, so the producers.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:04:04

It sounds very executive, yeah, the executive producer is just someone who's put money into the film. The executive producer is just someone who's put money into the film, who's, you know, helps market it or basically can. Depending on how much money you put in is how much sway you can have on set and talk about the story or the direction.

Fitzy: 1:04:24

Does that help you, though, for future projects?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:04:26

I think so. So after I did that with Sean, I got contacted by major individuals about helping produce their films as well, so they must have received the email or something and just sent out.

Burso: 1:04:43

As in they did Constant. Did they want you as investors or they want you to do the?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:04:46

job no investors yeah, sean Barry, he's very good at that job and I don't want to do the job. No investors yeah, sean Barry, he's very good at that job and I don't want to do his job. I'm not that type of person.

Burso: 1:04:56

He's very much the people person. Right, he's coattails though, yeah.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:04:59

Oh, 100%. Let him do the hard work.

Burso: 1:05:02

Yeah, yeah, what is it? The settlers perish, no, the explorers perish, so the settlers can prosper.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:05:08

Good job, sean Sean. Thanks, sean, put me in the movie, yeah.

Fitzy: 1:05:14

Well, on that, is there an aim? Is there an aim? How far do you want to take this?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:05:20

I think my initial goal was to be a supporting or main actor in a large Australian film. That's kind of in a military, sorry military. So military type role, Military type role. I know my strengths and even if I'm like in this movie now, I can definitely see myself as a supporting actor to the main cast or one of the main cast. I think I'd be very, very well adapted into that.

Fitzy: 1:05:54

I mean, yeah, we've got some great untold Australian stories that would be really good as movies and we've talked a lot about one in particular, I would still literally love the movie.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:06:07

Danger Close. Yeah, Danger Close. Were you on that. One of the actors in this is Trav. Fillmore, oh no.

Fitzy: 1:06:13

Hang on, are we allowed to talk about this? You can talk about Danger Close, danger Close, yeah.

Burso: 1:06:17

That's all right.

Fitzy: 1:06:22

You can talk about movies once they're out, okay, no, no, no no, so I mean.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:06:25

you just said, though, that this guy is in this one as well.

Fitzy: 1:06:27

Oh, okay, which one's he, which one's Travis?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:06:29

He's Ragnar.

Fitzy: 1:06:30

Oh, ragnar, that's Ragnar. Yeah, he's the one that you. I'm terrible with people's names. I know the guy, though I love Ragnar yeah.

Burso: 1:06:44

In there, Ragnar goes.

Fitzy: 1:06:45

He's like we're not here to spot us. Are we mate? Yeah, yeah, there's so many of them in that movie and it's my favourite one to show people to go. That's not right.

Burso: 1:06:54

The line is correct All the lines are correct. The delivery maybe not Off, but the timing, like it's just not a time, it's just not right. Yeah, it's like.

Fitzy: 1:07:02

You can't even put a finger on it when in Rome you're like, that doesn't really apply here, it's classic.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:07:08

Yeah, all the yanks Are going around on this set. You know You're not eating a fuck's waters.

Fitzy: 1:07:12

Yeah, yeah.

Burso: 1:07:15

Good, love it. Love a good.

Fitzy: 1:07:17

So you know the Socks on caterpillars.

Burso: 1:07:19

Oh, yeah, not eating, it's the clean version yeah, yeah, They've gone PC.

Fitzy: 1:07:22

Now so Not eating, to put socks On caterpillars? Oh, fuck off.

Burso: 1:07:25

Yeah, what was the other one? Because Luke was telling us.

Fitzy: 1:07:28

Yeah, luke's got a.

Burso: 1:07:28

He's like you don't need to put bloody worms on hooks here or something Like.

Fitzy: 1:07:31

It was just oh fucking. When he said it I looked at him like, hmm, I haven't heard that one.

Burso: 1:07:35

Yeah. So a mate of ours got out and he was running this boot camp.

Fitzy: 1:07:38

He's a younger fella.

Burso: 1:07:44

Yeah, and he was like I don't have any dudes, Can you guys rock up?

Fitzy: 1:07:46

I was good, I went for filming.

Burso: 1:07:47

Yeah, I rocked up and I was like, yeah, all right, like I'll do it because you're black, but I'm one of the boys, let's get around it. But yeah, but he'd be going. He was just giving us all this PC stuff. Not here to put socks on catapults. I'm going to stop you right there.

Fitzy: 1:08:05

What was that? What do?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:08:05

you mean by that Come on, mate, sit down.

Burso: 1:08:08

Either you talk about spiders or I'm not doing it. I'm not interested, but yeah, it's hilarious. I was like is that really where we're at now, mate? Yeah, we're not here to bloody, we're not here to bait, we're not here to put worms on hooks or something as well. Like it was just random.

Fitzy: 1:08:23

We're not here to put Look, he's got the duck around. Some of His delivery was great he's like well.

Burso: 1:08:27

I'm not going to put film in camera, or you know, like just there was haircuts, not here for a haircut. Because, I don't remember his. Yeah, it was just so many. Just stop, mate.

Fitzy: 1:08:41

So is there anything in mind that you would want to see that you'd really be up for? Is there a particular Australian story that you can think of that you are waiting for it to come up.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:08:54

I spoke to. This was a while ago, paul Cale. No, sorry, bram Connolly.

Fitzy: 1:09:00

No, I don't know who he is. That doesn't mean anything.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:09:04

Ex-Special Forces guy. He's written a couple of books. He was looking at getting one of his books made into a film, yep, and he suggested me playing the role of Paul Cale, who's a well-known Australian commando who does a lot of kinetic fighting and stuff like that. I don't want to go too far into it because I don't know exactly what he does and I don't want to disappoint him.

Burso: 1:09:30

Because you're scared of him. Yeah, I'm scared.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:09:34

No, so, yeah, so I think I don't know if that's in the works now, but something like that. When I was told that information, I was pretty excited and I hung out with him and I was watching his demeanour and who he was and very interesting character.

Burso: 1:09:49

Have you got any interest in like writing scripts and stuff Like?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:09:53

being a writer and an actor, I think with my next book, which is a good segue, mate, I think with the next book.

Burso: 1:09:59

Well, I'm at an hour and ten, so do we want a segue already?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:10:01

Oh yeah, Okay, I'll get back up. Anyway, no, no, not really I'm going to keep writing books. Yeah, yeah, anyway, no, no, not really I'm gonna keep writing books. Yeah, yeah, I think just keep my stories, and if someone picks it up, that'd be great yep, cool.

Burso: 1:10:17

Do you want to get into your? Do you want to get into your book or not?

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:10:21

the second one oh, there's not much to really talk about. I've just written, I've written a second one and hopefully it up.

Burso: 1:10:27

Well, if you're happy to keep your arm out, mate, we can come back because we've got. We still haven't mentioned the fact that you're, like number seven in the world for in the world or, oh no, in Australia.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:10:36

Yeah, australia, oh, that was last year.

Burso: 1:10:38

Depends on what year Arm wrestling champ.

Fitzy: 1:10:41

Oh, I did see some arm wrestling. Actually I did. I forgot to ask about that.

Burso: 1:10:44

Yeah. So we've got arm wrestling, we've thing. We've got writing your next book yep, we've got. We can probably talk a bit more about producing and stuff like that getting into it yeah sure, all right, well, let's have a time out, we'll come back just do it.

Pete O'Hanlon: 1:11:05

What's the worst that's gonna happen? Just do it Simple. Outro Music.